Navy Separation Questions

navy_rec1234

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First time here so please bear with me. I am currently a recruiter in the Navy and I have been in 14 1/2 years. I was recently put up for an ADSEP for failure to change rates, but I waived the ADSEP board because I was guaranteed an Honorable discharge. I have a civilian medical provider, and PSD told me to get the Medical release memo filled out and she put on not qualified for separation because of severe depression, degenerative disk disease/stenosis in my neck, bulging discs in my back, and more issues so I am wondering what my next steps are. I was told that I should go to a MTF and they will start the MEB process, but I am not entirely sure how that would work. Any advice would be a great help.
 

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I was recently put up for an ADSEP for failure to change rates, but I waived the ADSEP board because I was guaranteed an Honorable discharge.
Not that it may matter much, but, why did you not change rates? Were you properly counseled about this? Did the notification memo state that you only could be separated with an Honorable? Was there any basis for a General or other characterization of service?

Did you/do you want to leave military service?

. I have a civilian medical provider, and PSD told me to get the Medical release memo filled out and she put on not qualified for separation because of severe depression, degenerative disk disease/stenosis in my neck, bulging discs in my back, and more issues so I am wondering what my next steps are.
Only thing that makes me somewhat concerned about this is that the memo seems/sounds like it is filled by a civilian provider. While that should be "good evidence" the reality is that for medical/personnel actions, a civilian providers input will carry less weight than a military medical officer's input.

I was told that I should go to a MTF and they will start the MEB process, but I am not entirely sure how that would work.
Seems to me, the first step would be to follow what you have been told- take the Medical Release Memo and go the the MTF and explain what you have been told and why you are there.


I am not sure that you have a lot to be concerned about. On the other hand, I am also not sure that I would have a "warm fuzzy" feeling about your situation. First thing that concerns me is that there appears to be a separation action processing based on "failure to change rate." So, that process is likely moving forward and it is not clear to me that you have a 100% guaranteed process that will follow to belay that process in lieu of medical processing, which would normally follow if the MTF identifies and refers you for an MEB/PEB. Sounds like you have a "bad" disposition in play (the ADSEP) with the "promise" (not backed up by anything ironclad) that you may be referred to an MEB/PEB.

I would tread carefully. You may end up getting ADSEPed without proper consideration of what sounds like conditions that may well warrant MEB/PEB referral.
 

navy_rec1234

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Yes, I do want to get out but I want to make sure I get the benefits that should be afforded to me. I was told that the mtf can submit me for a meb/peb and that would put my separation process on hold because it is not for misconduct. I am a little overwhelmed right now and nobody seems to have the answers.
 

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Yes, I do want to get out but I want to make sure I get the benefits that should be afforded to me. I was told that the mtf can submit me for a meb/peb and that would put my separation process on hold because it is not for misconduct. I am a little overwhelmed right now and nobody seems to have the answers.
I understand your concerns.

Like I stated above, yes, the MTF can refer you to the MEB/PEB. However, I would have some concerns based on the current ADSEP processing you are undergoing.

Not trying to sharpshoot or second guess....just stating a course of action that I would have considered- instead of waiving your ADSEP board, I think it may have made sense to disagree and argue for referral to the MEB/PEB. I think that how you have dealt with and approached the situation is less than ideal for getting the best result easily.

Seems that opportunity/moment in time for addressing the issues in the ADSEP context is past. That is one of my concerns with what you have written.

Your next best option now may be to see if you can actually get the MTF to refer you to the MEB/PEB.

It probably would make sense to raise this is an issue if the MTF does not follow through. Demand a full separation physical and fight your issues.

Would not assume that everything is going to go side ways for you. On the other hand, I also would not assume that things will go well for you.
 

navy_rec1234

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I really appreciate the advice. The ADSEP board that I waived was for unsatisfactory performance which led to failure to change ratings. I waived the board because I do want to get out, and it is guaranteed to be an honorable discharge. The reason I need to go to the mtf is to complete the full separation physical, which is where I am assuming/hoping they will refer me to a meb. My civilian provider could only say that I am not qualified for separation and can not do the entire physical. Hope that cleared my situation up, sorry I am just a little stressed about the whole situation.
 

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I really appreciate the advice. The ADSEP board that I waived was for unsatisfactory performance which led to failure to change ratings.
Glad to help where I can.

Not sure about the underlying basis for your board. "Unsatisfactory Performance" would need to be well documented and there should normally be well documented basis for this including counselings, notifications, actions to be taken (by the Sailor and the command), with an opportunity to comply with the actions.

Again, not sure that waiving your right to the board was the best approach. However, you took that action and you have to deal with your current situation. (You should have gotten legal advice from, at least, the servicing Judge Advocate. Not sure if you did seek/get such advice. But, that is what should have happened, at a minimum).

I waived the board because I do want to get out, and it is guaranteed to be an honorable discharge.
Understand your goals and thoughts here. Still, given your medical issues, probably not the best approach you could have/should have taken from my point of view.


The reason I need to go to the mtf is to complete the full separation physical, which is where I am assuming/hoping they will refer me to a meb.
I think you hit on it- you are "assuming/hoping." For your sake, I hope this plays out in your favor.

My civilian provider could only say that I am not qualified for separation and can not do the entire physical.
At a minimum, you have some favorable evidence based on this. Still, actual action relies on the Navy/MTF following up and "doing the right thing." Not sure I would feel confident about that.

Hope that cleared my situation up, sorry I am just a little stressed about the whole situation.
Hope all goes well for you. Hope I have helped explain some of the issues in your case. Best of luck!
 
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