Resource Vietnam Vet's -"The US Army in Vietnam" -"The Bud Harton Collection at the Texas Tech Virtual Vietnam Archive"-Perhaps????

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All thought "SHARE" a resource that might add/shed some light on what some Vietnam Veteran's went through during years 1969-1970: http://www.recordsofwar.com/vietnam/army/ or as tilted"The US Army in Vietnam"-"The Bud Harton Collection at the Texas Tech Virtual Vietnam Archive" and might be a "huge" resource for Vietnam Veterans to "legitimatize" a claim US DVA if records lost and/or destroyed????? (Wonder why US DVA not utilizing- as well- for clearly outlines/delineates "criteria" for "permission" for incursions into Laos, Cambodia, etc...which a C&P Reviewer denied a Vietnam Vet I knew because we were supposedly never there..... see 1969 Operation "Apache Snow!")

It has "first hand accounts" on utilization "flak-jacket's" and "ceramic" helicopter Armour plates for additional protection- sound "familiar" the "utilization" of "advisors" which oddly had same issues as "advisor's" in Iraq/Afghanistan, etc.... and finally 1969's Operation "Apache Snow" (at https://vva.vietnam.ttu.edu/repositories/2/digital_objects/332187 & attached below) which across the board is highly "Illuminating!" from numerous perspectives....

What is striking is the how detailed and in depth all of these reports and accounts go, and that they were in fact kept by on-duty historians in beyond "incredible"...

Also, IAW this website- at https://vva.vietnam.ttu.edu/repositories/2/digital_objects/332176 - "ARMY 1969 SPEC OPS GRP CMD HISTORY" item Number 168300010541 - started "digitizing" records....I guess with "punch cards" to "magnetic tape" so might there still not be "digital" copies of US Vietnam Veterans out ther somewhere, even though "paper" copies burned????(think good question VFW, American Legion, etc.. should perhaps look into?????) [See Attached Below]

Vietnam VET's out there may be able to utilize these document's as proof of a "claim" with the US DVA, etc......specifically if have lost records in like the St. Louis fire of the 1970's????

Well hope this may assist some folks out there.....????????

PS: Know Veteran that was in-around some of these "predecessor" unit's (like 17th IN, etc...) and perhaps around some of these folks mentioned in these reports... they will find interesting as well their US DVA Provider's ......?????

This thread/post taken in part from PEBForum thread/post http://pebforum.com/threads/saunders-v-united-states.43987/ "Saunders vs. United States"

NOTE: All attached files below from: http://www.recordsofwar.com/vietnam/army/ -"The US Army in Vietnam"-The Bud Harton Collection at the -Texas Tech Virtual Vietnam Archive
 

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Vietnam VET's out there may be able to utilize these document's as proof of a "claim" with the US DVA, etc......specifically if have lost records in like the St. Louis fire of the 1970's????

Well hope this may assist some folks out there.....????????

PS: Know Veteran that was in-around some of these "predecessor" unit's (like 17th IN, etc...) and perhaps around some of these folks mentioned in these reports... they will find interesting as well their US DVA Provider's ......?????

This thread/post taken in part from PEBForum thread/post http://pebforum.com/threads/saunders-v-united-states.43987/ "Saunders vs. United States"

NOTE: All attached files below from: http://www.recordsofwar.com/vietnam/army/ -"The US Army in Vietnam"-The Bud Harton Collection at the -Texas Tech Virtual Vietnam Archive

All- these files also contain, where chemicals were sprayed- such as defoliant, CS Gas, etc... and how much- that in fact may be helpful Vietnam veterans.....??????

Basically, they are a "treasure" trove of information, if one is simply wiling to look, and could very potentially "Swing" a US DVA rating decision.....??????

Hope, this assist's someone at least??????
 

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All- these files also contain, where chemicals were sprayed- such as defoliant, CS Gas, etc... and how much- that in fact may be helpful Vietnam veterans.....??????

Basically, they are a "treasure" trove of information, if one is simply wiling to look, and could very potentially "Swing" a US DVA rating decision.....??????

Hope, this assist's someone at least??????
All- sent selected files to folks in the Gulf Coast VA System/VISN-16 in particular the Gulf Coast VA OEF/OIF Representative (at website: https://www.biloxi.va.gov/services/returning/index.asp ), in hopes they would forward to "Higher HQ" within the US DVA System- hopefully to National US DVA Level!

Being stationed abroad quite a lot, sadly on one of my tours, had a LT walk into a "old" leftover minefield, and was injured! Resultant, we were directed to, as best we could, put together an "overlay" map of were all these "minefields" were "possibly" placed and perhaps not "deactivated"!

I bring this up, as the US DVA or US Government could in fact hire "historians' to go back through these unit histories and generate a "user" friendly data base of were things like "defoliant" and CS Gas etc.. were in fact utilized to assist Vietnam and other pre-Vietnam Veterans of other conflicts....

One of the many possible reason's the US DVA, etc... would not want to do this is "perhaps" potential liability to other "governments" such as Vietnam, etc... but is that simply not the cost of going to war and doing anything short of "total victory!" For example, was in another Country, and all the taxi cabs were Mercedes Benz! I asked why, and the answer was simple- it was part of another countries "war" debt for "atrocities" etc... committed in an "unjust" war!!!!!

Also, the US Military, used- at one point in time have Unit Historians, etc... that did this kind of work! I sent in a Commander's Situation Report almost nightly- encapsulating- all we had done that day, like many of these Vietnam reports! However, they were all electronic, and are most likely "lost" forever in the "ether!"

Well just some things to think about, and hope assist's some veterans out there, whom if willing do "some-homework" with this and other data-bases like it, may get more "favorable" results on their claims.......

PS: I am not saying Vietnam was unjust nor any other US Conflict, however for those Interested might want check out "Just and Unjust Wars: A Moral Argument With Historical Illustrations (Basic Books Classics) 3rd Edition by Michael Walzer (Author)" (at Amazon.com: https://www.amazon.com/Just-Unjust-...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=G5F4317CSY67QA3CF03B ) which was "assigned" reading at US Military Academy once upon a time....

I myself simply concur with one of former Directors US DVA who stated "its all just Disney La...d!" or too some such affect: see YouTube
"Mickey Mouse Steamboat Willie 1928"
courtesy YouTube Video at
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iep9EJ9H1aU


Which oddly came out mid way through"Yangtze Patrol" from "1854-1949" IAW Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Patrol
 
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Below From PEBForum Thread: "Saunders v United States 2018-04-12" by Jason Perry at: http://www.pebforum.com/threads/saunders-v-united-states.43987/page-2


Former MiTT Team Leader said:
All- sent selected files to folks in the Gulf Coast VA System/VISN-16 in particular the Gulf Coast VA OEF/OIF Representative (at website: https://www.biloxi.va.gov/services/returning/index.asp ), in hopes they would forward to "Higher HQ" within the US DVA System- hopefully to National US DVA Level!

Being stationed abroad quite a lot, sadly on one of my tours, had a LT walk into a "old" leftover minefield, and was injured! Resultant, we were directed to, as best we could, put together an "overlay" map of were all these "minefields" were "possibly" placed and perhaps not "deactivated"!

I bring this up, as the US DVA or US Government could in fact hire "historians' to go back through these unit histories and generate a "user" friendly data base of were things like "defoliant" and CS Gas etc.. were in fact utilized to assist Vietnam and other pre-Vietnam Veterans of other conflicts....
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ALL- below are attached "selected" files- broken into three parts, in order fit this thread, I sent to US DVA Provider's and other's in hopes they would forward to US DVA National! Sadly, it seems, they have not as I have asked via text messaging, regular-email, and US DVA MyHealtheVet Secure Messaging and received no answer...... UNFORTUNATELY!

Therefore, am posting here in hopes it might greatly assist some Vietnam Veteran out there, as well as highlight the potential need for US Military Unit Historians in the "never-ending story" of the "Global War on Terror!"

Once again these files came from

“The US Army in Vietnam”
The Bud Harton Collection at the

Texas Tech Virtual Vietnam Archive
At:
http://www.recordsofwar.com/vietnam/army/


Kind of reminds one of "time"," as if things are not recorded properly they are "forgotten/ possibly denied" by the "collective conscience" kind of like the band "Pink Floyd" song "Time" courtesy YouTube video "Pink Floyd - Time (2011 Remastered)" at YouTube:

Or perhaps even the "movie" "Jupiter Ascending" starring Channing Tatum (from Alabama oddly- up around 'Wetumpka" parts [one largest metor strikes US vic Wetumpka AL]) and Melia Kunis wher the whole movie is just pretty much about "buying" more time- see: "Jupiter Ascending Official Trailer #3 (2015) - Mila Kunis, Channing Tatum Movie HD" at YouTube video:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKy4WqGVD8w


 

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ALL_ thought would also recommend Vietnam Era Veterans and prior to Post: "Another Resource "mobility" Challenged Veterans- "Warrior Cane Project" - GM Shuey" at webaddress: http://pebforum.com/threads/another...veterans-warrior-cane-project-gm-shuey.44789/
as they may too find "useful" in some manner- hopefully! [See Excerpt Below in {}]

{ALL- at local park this morning in Baldwin County Alabama, spoke with a Vietnam Veteran, Park Gate Guard! I gave him print-out of "Vietnam Unit Histories" from another post and we discussed the fact that in Vietnam allowed utilize CS Gas and other things we- to my knowledge- not allowed to utilize in Iraq... at least during my time there!!! Furthermore, he complained that had to "basically" be crowd control themselves as local Police, used to patrol this entire area on foot, bicycle, and Segway all hours of day and night and really cut down on unwanted "issues' and local's- like him- having to take matter's into own hands..... guess now simply too hard a task "local" law enforcement or might actually "break" a sweat in "summer" heat or get a little "cold" in our really "horrendous" winters down here as opposed nice "cushy" air-conditioned/ heated vehicles....?????

Also, discussed ROE and fact that in Iraq, had I or anyone on my team, simply shot an Iraqi whom was "naked" and had n fire-arm or other weapon, we would have simply been before a "court-martial" immediately, even in that very "hostile" and "convoluted" environment. Not like a "student" from Wetumpka Alabama, at the University of South Alabama, who was shot and killed for being "durnk, naked, no weapon, and disorderly" and law-enforcement absolved of all wrong doing.... see "University of South Alabama student fatally shot by officer was seeking help, lawsuit says" by By Brendan Kirby at website: https://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/07/university_of_south_alabama_st.html

Furthermore, it appears in Baldwin County, that simple "cigarettes" ring-up (cash-out) differently at different stores, and is mystery to all "cashiers" folks spoken with. Is this not the purvue of the local Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearm's (ATF) authorities.....?????

Additionally, Hoover Alabama, has a US Secret Service Computer Forensics Training Center, for both Federal and Local Law Enforcement, to help fight "counterfeiting!" With such a large Secret Service, etc....presence in State of Alabama why, is in fact "counterfeiting" (IAW numerous, and countless media reports of all sorts) such a constant issue in Baldwin County, Alabama and Alabama in General??? See "How the Secret Service are Helping Fight Crime in Hoover, Alabama" by Chris Simmons at website: https://yellowhammernews.com/how-th...lping-fight-crime-in-hoover-alabama-csimmons/

(Well, this author, when tried correct young kid- local park- for pulling in rapidly behind him and almost destroying their car was "greeted" when simply asked "what is your hurry" with nothing but a "string" of profanity, and this kid "claimed" had "worked for everything ever gotten in life"..... so goes another day in the Heart of the "Bible Belt!")}}

Anyway- I hope this post assist's ALL Veterans out there as "one" generation of "soldiers" and "veteran's" builds upon both the success and "disappointment's" of the last- hopefully for the betterment of everyone (or at least try-perhaps))!!!! [KIND OF LIKE AN "AAR_ AFTER ACTION REPORT" utilized to spawn "improvement" and if memory serves right "originated" by German Wehrmacht during WWI-WWII(?) and adopted by US Military]

BEST OF LUCK- ALL!
 

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