Physical Evaluation Board System Overview

Jason Perry · Nov 4, 2007

This post, like this site, is a work in progress. I realized recently that even though all the information on the Physical Disability Evaluation System (PDES) can be found here, first time visitors probably need a guide to understand what is going on with their case. I will be posting a more comprehensive "Guide" in the near future. But for now, I want to put out this post to help newcomers and members alike understand how to use this site. First, in the Physical Disability Evaluation System Overview Forum, you can find some basic overview/information papers on understanding the process. The updated "Guide" that I will publish will eventually replace the info papers found there. But for now, you can get a grasp of the process. I...

Jason Perry · Jun 2, 2007

This thread is for discussing everything related to fitness and unfitness in the PDES.

RonG · Jul 16, 2019

CRSC questions, new CRSC information, and requests for CRSC estimates should be posted as a new thread in the CRSC Forum. This is the link to the CRSC Forum —-> Combat Related Special Compensation (CRSC) Ron

Jason Perry · Sep 15, 2008

A copy of Mike Parker's Powerpoint presentation to the MOAA's Wounded Warrior Forum. It includes the entire brief with back-up slides containing detailed explanations.

Jason Perry · Apr 12, 2017

I have an important advisory and issue of great importance for Air Force Reserve Component Members (Air Reserve and Air National Guard members). A few weeks back a colleague of mine called me and asked whether I had heard of ARC/ANG members being processed through the Legacy Disability Evaluation System (LDES). My friend shared a story of a client who was an AF Reserve member who was referred to the MEB and then the PEB notified his client that he was being processed by the PEB as an LDES case. The client had a current VA rating that was higher than the PEB decision. I was asked what I thought of this and I said that this made no sense and seemed patently illegal. I thought this was just an error or an aberration- until the next day...

builtgypsy · Mar 1, 2008

The question on most of our minds is this: How long is it all going to take? This is an attempt to answer that question, but it's going to take all of us to do it. The idea is to give a very detailed account of the timeline of each person's case. It's one thing to say "in February I was tumpy tumpy" but there's a world of difference and two pay periods between the beginning of the month and end of it. Somwhere there's the theory if the sample population (ours here) is large enough, it comes to represent the whole (all military members going through this). If there are enough people who take notes and are good at remembering dates, or do like I do and keep a monthly planner you can keep notes in, then it would go a long way to...

Jason Perry · Jun 1, 2007

This thread is dedicated to special issues regarding the Temporary Disabled Retired List.

Jason Perry · Jun 1, 2007

Welcome again, everyone (well, as of now I am the only one registered here, but this is for all the future members). As I explained in the anouncement, I have created this site to provide US Military Servicemembers information about the MEB / PEB proccess. This is intended to be a one stop information resource center and discussion board. This is my first message board/website, so please bear with me as I learn more about this board's software and how to improve the user experience. Please feel free to offer suggestions. I know I won't be able to please everyone, but I will listen to input. Well, I hope this Board is helpful to the Servicemembers going through the PDES. I wish everyone the best of luck.

Jason Perry · Feb 21, 2014

So, you are starting in the military disability process....you probably feel like the characters above. Let me point out several pointers and common errors that impact folks in getting to a favorable outcome. 1) Make an honest and fair evaluation of your situation and your goals as early as possible- then fight for your desired outcome. I have stated this countless times. One of the best things you can do to get the outcome you desire is to decide as early as possible what your desired outcome is. I have come across many cases where the member gets a bad outcome because they have "waffled" on what they want. For example, I have seen many cases where a member really wants to be found fit and continue their career. So, at the MEB...

grizz13 · Sep 9, 2012

Mind you these are all referenced to the Army, some may cross over to the other services those of you out there please post them on this discussion too! Thanks all!! Legacy-Old MEB/PEB process. IDES-Integrated Disability Evaluation System; new MEB/PEB process. DoD-means any military service/encompasses all. MEB-Medical Evaluation Board. PEB-Physical Evaluation Board. MMRB-MOS/Medical Retention Board. NARSUM-Narrative Summary. IPEB- Informal Physical Evaluation Board. FPEB-Formal Physical Evaluation Board. IPR –Independent Physical Review (Same as IMR). IMR-Independent Medical Review (Same as IPR). PDBR-Physical Disability Board of Review, for those out of the service already that need to correct a...

Jason Perry · Apr 15, 2008

This post contains a slide covering timelines (the slide is from the Army, but applies to all services): http://www.pebforum.com/army-discussion/236-slide-army-pdes-elements-timeline.html

Jason Perry · Oct 16, 2012

I was recently contacted by a staff member from the DoD Recovering Warrior Task Force. There is a panel discussion that they are holding in the Crystal City (Arlington), VA on Dec. 5, and they are looking for interested members going through the IDES. I was asked to post this announcement (which sounds like a good opportunity for people to have their concerns heard): The DoD Recovering Warrior Task Force (RWTF) is seeking Wounded, Ill, or Injured Service members who are in the Integrated Disability System Evaluation System (IDES) process, preparing for transition to civilian life, and willing to participate in a panel discussion. The RWTF was established by Congress in 2010 to provide DoD with advice and recommendations on...

Jason Perry · May 28, 2007

This attachment contains the Federal Law concerning US military disability retirement. Please see the Library link to see the latest updates from Jan. 2008 in this law.

Jason Perry · May 28, 2007

This info paper was published by the US Army Physical Disability Agency. A good starting point for a general understanding of the process.

LoveWar · 2023-02-07T14:48:19-0500

Team Members I am in the middle of a PEB. My goal is to receive Trycare after disability retirement. If I am retired with 20% DoD and 20 year of service (7200 points). Do I qualify for TryCare for life? Thanks all in advance,

MustardTiger · Jul 8, 2022

Hello, Currently in the Air Force, and had an injury about a year ago that dnif’ed me for good. Since then, I’ve had chronic migraines (4-5x a week, prostrating) and am receiving Botox for them. I was told since the beginning that if I got Botox, I’d be pushed for MEB immediately. It has been a pain dealing with the med group in terms of finding answers on when/if I’ll be getting meb’ed since nobody seems to know. Is anyone else dealing with this? And if you got MEB’ed for migraines…..how? I’ve been suffering from awful anxiety, sleep apnea, and back and knee pain that keeps me out of work most days. I definitely can’t fly anymore, and can barely perform my office duties. I’m desperate in finding help, and how I can go about getting the...

kavmek · 2023-02-06T05:31:36-0500

I'm curious about anyone else's timeline experience and how it went after submission to the PEB. My NARSUM is done but there's a LOT of incorrect information in it and I don't feel like the PEB will get the full story from it. In my opinion it also seems like the NARSUM writer wanted to support a certain narrative in the NARSUM that I KNOW is false and I feel is derogatory towards me. Has anyone submitted a letter to the PEB? They keep pressuring me to push ahead but I don't want the PEB deciding based on the current NARSUM without at least having my $.02 heard.

janderson219 · Jun 1, 2022

AD Air Force of 8 years. I just received my Commander's Impact Statement AF Form 1185. What my commander/shirt wrote was very vague. I am having difficulty with what I should write in the Airmen's acknowledgment section. I have narcolepsy type 2 w/o cataplexy and excessive daytime sleepiness, and currently taking Xywav. I work shift work and a very inconsistent schedule which affects my sleep schedule. Do I write how the irregular schedule is affecting my sleep? Or do I include the Excessive daytime sleepiness that causes sleep attacks 2-3 per day or 14-21 per week? I log all my sleep and naps, blood pressure, temperature, blood oxygen, and weight every day. Should I include that as well?

potat07 · Dec 21, 2022

When referred to IDES, how long until PEBLO reaches out? Is there a way to see if the med board has been initiated?

Damian22 · Jan 31, 2023

Hello all! I recently signed my Findings on January 3rd, 2023 (unfit), I was told I will be receiving my updated EAS with in the month but coming to an end of January I have heard nothing. I’m on a expedited track to transition out of the Marine Corps as instructed by my chain of command, but without any updates or time frames I’m beginning to worry more about my wife’s job transfer package, relocation, ETC. Is anyone having the same issue?

johnbgately · Wednesday at 9:44 PM

Dear Friends, Attached you will find the new SECNAVCORB Policy Letter re Post-FPEB Appeals. The process described is very restrictive and resembles a VA Higher-level review conference and allows you 15 minutes to present your case. New medical and nonmedical evidence may be presented, but it must be forwarded when you elect to pursue a post-FPEB hearing in lieu of the traditional written appeal- known as a Petition for Relief ("PFR"). While this process may be subject to change in the future, this is how it will look as the first post-FPEB hearings are conducted over the next few weeks.

Mdelarosa76 · Jan 29, 2023

Hello everyone, Can anyone tell me if I have had a normal timeline? This seems a bit outrageous. I have also been offered my dream assignment if I can get rid of my assignment availability code by the end of February. Does anyone have any insight on if this even possible? Also, would anyone who has been found fit mind sharing their timelines? I would ask my PEBLO, but he is extremely argumentative. I’m just trying to stay optimistic on this job offer that been given to me. If you need any additional dates from me please let me know. IRILO began: 11/4/2021 VA exams: 06/02/22 - 10/14/22 Signed Narsum/package : 12/19/22 (MEB/Return to duty) MyFSS PEB notification: 1/21/23

GPUnited93 · Jan 22, 2023

As of 22 Jan 2023, I am still awaiting Medical Retirement Orders from SAFPC due to a Grade Review. I had an Art 15 resulting in loss of rank from E6-E5 effective the day before I found out my ratings. - Confirmed receipt of 356 to AFPC on 31 Oct 2023 - Sometime mid November, they sent it SAFPC for grade review - On 15 Dec 2023, MyFSS case# shows adjudication/processing status No updates or ETA since. I have since ran out of leave and am going insane just sitting at work 8hrs a day since my disabilities prevent me from performing my AFSC duties. It quite literally hurts me physically and mentally to do so. I am going to pursue the un-chargeable "Leave Awaiting Orders" with my Command but IDK how likely since I'm a recent trouble...

jaybird2023 · Jan 24, 2023

Hello all. Does anyone know for certain that if a member going through PEB has over 20 years of active service, they will be medically retired regardless of disability rating? Even if rated 0%?

Barrywayne · Jan 22, 2023

I am about to be put into the IDES process due to an accident that happened after duty hours. I am at 19 years 8 months and 10 days away from my 20 years AS with my 1405 time. Is the accident being after duty hours going to affect anything? Also can you claim VA for injuries that happened while on AD orders but after duty hours in a civillian vehicle? Do AGR Soldiers have to service connect all injuries that they wish to claim VA for even though we are on AD orders 24/7 365?

MrForgot · Jan 23, 2023

Good people, I've been going through PDD for over 5 years and in treatment for over 3 years. I'm finally being put up for an MEB. I just did my CIS today and will be sending the packet up to AFPC this week. If they agree with the CC to due the full MEB, will I be able to pick my own VA rep? I have a family friend that has been a VA rep for over 10 years and I'm hoping she can help me sped up the process.

N_mano_1 · Jan 6, 2023

First time posting here - I’m currently dealing with a horrible case of Osgood Schlatter ( yes, it can still happen as an adult ) I am currently going to PT for it which doesn’t seem to be working. I am also on some pain killers that don’t really help. I have been in for under 6 months. I can’t PT and I’m on light duty. The PT‘s have told me the next step is orthopedics and possibly surgery but I don’t want to risk it. At this point I’d rather just get medically or administratively separated. I’m guessing that that process could take at least a year? I know I can’t request to be med boarded but what can I do to get to that stage?

Throwaway · Jun 28, 2018

Hello everyone! If you are reading this thread, thank you! I finally got my findings back, and I now have a week left to decide whether or not to finalize. I'm currently out of state (from the Naval base where my PEB is being handled), and will not return until the day before I have to give the PEBLO my decision. As such, legal counsel is out of the question, and I thought this would be the next best place to get a second opinion. First off, my findings: The PEB only received Persistent Depressive Disorder and BPD as my board-able conditions. As a result, they have found me UNFIT, Not-Rated, and to Separate w/o Additional Benefits. The VA also received said disorders, along with various physical ailments, and rated me at 80%. My...

AskeMee · Jan 17, 2023

I called my Peblo today and found out that I am unfit for continued duty. However I have terrible leadership and they seem to be annoyed with my MEB. I was wondering if there is anything they can do to stop me from getting out even though the IPEB determined I was unfit for continued duty. FYI I have severe nerve damage in both of my lower legs. Also my case went to the VA to get my rating does anyone know how long that could take?

Ian F · Jan 19, 2023

My PEBLO informed me that the VA has completed my ratings. I got 100% VA. He said he would send over my results once the Army did their part. How long does that typically take once the VA sends ratings to the Army. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

stevefrench · Jan 18, 2023

Hello! Cutting to the chase, I have been diagnosed with pericarditis (among other minor ailments). It happened since I got the jab and it has been affecting me more often to a point that my leadership sees me unfit to deploy or fly :-/ they mentioned med board to me, however, I never knew that existed. I have been seeing a cardiologist for the past year and have a stress test scheduled. The news is unfortunate given I wanted to commission due to my degree. Any input if I can avoid this/maybe exit and get the big boy job I’ve been eying for until I separate?

SawyerWhitaker · Jan 18, 2023

First off, I apologize if this has been discussed in a different thread, I just cannot seem to find the correct information to exactly what I am after. Some backstory, I served Active duty for almost 5 years, After 4 years I was referred to the PEB due to some neurological issues, I was ultimately placed on PDRL, 50% DoD, 100%P&T VA. I retired from active duty at the end of November 2022. My claim has since been completed with the VA and I have a pending deposit. What I am trying to get a straight answer to is why I got a letter from the DoD saying I quality for CRDP (Who questions extra money right..?) and I got a deposit of 50% of my base pay from when I was Active Duty. From everything I’ve read, you aren’t enrolled in CRDP unless...

K5Blazer · Oct 19, 2022

This is the remarks from my C&P exam. I am a little worried that the doc didn't select the cerebellar gait box. I have read in other threads that staggering is accepted in most cases. And the disability made easy states staggering. Anyone have experience with this? Should i have my private ENT fill out the DBQ and select cerebellar gait?

DangerZone · Jan 15, 2023

Hello sir or mam, I am writing this post to see if there is anyone or anything that can be done. I was medically discharged in 2010 I went through the Meb and Peb process. They gave me a ratting of 20% but during the whole process my PTSD was overlooked and wrote off as a single depression episode, Also a false statement was put in my packet from a doctor that stated that they felt I was using my back injury to get out of the Army. to get back home to my wife. This statement was from 2005 when I was in Iraq, I was not married then and did not even get married until 2007 So I do not know why that statement was even included nor needed. This has been bugging me for years. I tried to go another rout to get it looked at but I was told I...

CHooker-47 · Jan 15, 2023

Currently going through Army MEB. My PCM referred me for left pectoral nerve damage after surgery, as well as Right Cubital Tunnel & Medial epicondylitis and Thoracolumbar Strain (L1-S1 are bulging) I finished my C&P exams and was told only my back doesn’t meet Retention standards. Will PEB only be looking at my back now? Or is it possible they can still find me unfit for other conditions? I’m just confused since i’ve met medical retention point for the other conditions. Also have DA Form 7809 from occupational therapy off-post supporting my conditions as well.

AskeMee · Jan 15, 2023

I have just finished my MEB at my base and the results just got sent up to the IPEB. The result was that they recommended me for separation/retirement. With that said does the IPEB usually concur with the MEB preformed by the Board at the members base?

johnbgately · Jan 13, 2023

If you receive a favorable combat-related finding on a Navy Code 13 appeal, the net step is for the PEB to issue corrected findings and to send these findings to your service headquarters to amend your retirement or separation orders. While this should occur as a matter of course, there have been occasional delays in transmittal to PERS (Navy) and HQMC-MMSR-4 due to the holidays. If your Code 13 decision is issued prior to your retirement date, then you will want to ensure that your attorney or your PEBLO follows up to ensure receipt by the action officer for your service. Note- these action officers are reluctant to accept corrected findings from the member- thus, following up with the PEB to ensure a timely transmittal of corrected...

ibrahim · Jan 11, 2023

Hello AD 18 Months. I have a fracture on my right hand of my little fifth pinky finger. The fracture happened two years ago on November 2021. I am having a pain (tingling) during the cold weather. I did an X-Ray and shows that Prior base of the fifth digit proximal phalanx fracture with small associated erosion. My question is when l claim my health issues to Va, is this fracture countable? Am I am gonna get any rate for this? Thank you for advise.

ibrahim · Jan 11, 2023

Hello AD 18 Months. I have a fracture on my right hand of little fifth finger. The fracture happened two years ago during the field training. I am having a pain (tingling) during the cold weathers. I did an X-Ray and shows that Prior base of the fifth digit proximal phalanx fracture with small associated erosion. My question is when l claim my health issues to Va, is this fracture countable or Am l gonna get any rate for this? Any advice? Thanks

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