ANG dual status technian

Jmc81

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Hello everyone,
I'm dual status tech been in 17 years all national guard activated and did security forces in 2004 not my usual job . Was working ARNG one day the guy went wild with me in the rig and rolled it freaked me out. Got stiches up had neck pain but didn't break my neck. I had other stuff happen over the years at work that caused stress. Back in October I put in for anxiety, panic attacks, neck pain and ringing in ears with VA didn't hear anything back from them seems unusual. Couple weeks ago I did my PHA flagged me did my talk with counselor she said she said seems like ptsd so she sent that to VA. I than had to talk to on base therapist and she ask bunch of questions, I had seen her few times for issues before. And she told me I'm gonna have to send this to the DAWG you won't be deployable. She wanted to speak with my civilian therapist also. She started writing up a report I will talk with her Monday more. I am struggling to do my job some. I'm wondering if I could get some insight on the process what's the DAWG and she said if wasn't resolved in the near future could or fixable issue it could cause medical out. I've been on and off anxiety meds for years and been in therapy for years I had kept it to myself until I went for AGR job it all came out. I'm ok if they push me out I should have few years ago. What are the chances anxiety panic attacks depression maybe ptsd can put me out.
Thanks for any help on understanding this process.
 

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Hello,

You mentioned, "...what's the DAWG ..."

From a USAF site:

DAWG is an acronym for Deployment Availability Working Group

Routine DAWG Case Reviews.4.1.1.Purpose. The DAWG will be established at each wing/base level and will meet at least monthly to review personnel with a DLC that affects mobility, retention, or long-term physical fitness.

Potentially Unfitting Cases are reported to the DAWG through five trigger events. (T-1) A trigger event is a condition or occurrence which may indicate a service member has (a) medical and/or mental health condition(s) that is/(are) inconsistent with retention standards or deployability..

Here is an article that discusses some of the procedures:
Medical evaluation board does what’s best for service members | Desert Lightning News - Nellis/Creech AFB <---LINK

@chaplaincharlie might offer some insight on this matter.

Good luck,

Ron

 

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The DAWG is usually led by the sr flight surgeon. They manage installation deployment availability from a medical perspective. They are basically the local extension of the MEB/RILO processes.
 

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“Hello everyone,
I'm dual status tech been in 17 years all national guard activated and did security forces in 2004 not my usual job.”

Operation Nobel Eagle 2003-2005?
 

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Note to @Jmc81

Post number 4 is directed to you.

Regards,
Ron
 

Jmc81

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“Hello everyone,
I'm dual status tech been in 17 years all national guard activated and did security forces in 2004 not my usual job.”

Operation Nobel Eagle 2003-2005?
No I did it for about 6 months.
 

Jmc81

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Hello,

You mentioned, "...what's the DAWG ..."

From a USAF site:

DAWG is an acronym for Deployment Availability Working Group

Routine DAWG Case Reviews.4.1.1.Purpose. The DAWG will be established at each wing/base level and will meet at least monthly to review personnel with a DLC that affects mobility, retention, or long-term physical fitness.

Potentially Unfitting Cases are reported to the DAWG through five trigger events. (T-1) A trigger event is a condition or occurrence which may indicate a service member has (a) medical and/or mental health condition(s) that is/(are) inconsistent with retention standards or deployability..

Here is an article that discusses some of the procedures:
Medical evaluation board does what’s best for service members | Desert Lightning News - Nellis/Creech AFB <---LINK

@chaplaincharlie might offer some insight on this matter.

Good luck,

Ron
Thanks that's a lot of good info in the link. Its alot to figure out like most things in government its complicated. I'm right at the beginning of the process. On base therapist said the meb will go faster for me cause I have years of tharapy already. I would think I will stay in until my enlistment is up next Feb. Therapist thinks I will be unfit but without good ties to military side might not get much from VA.
 

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After being flagged for PTSD during a periodic health assessment, it will require mandatory counseling and classes at the nearest VAMC. If the classes are not attended, it’s grounds for an involuntary separation. After the classes file a claim for PTSD. If what triggers your PTSD happened while on title 10 orders and is in your medical records it shouldn’t be to difficult to be approved.
 

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After being flagged for PTSD during a periodic health assessment, it will require mandatory counseling and classes at the nearest VAMC. If the classes are not attended, it’s grounds for an involuntary separation. After the classes file a claim for PTSD. If what triggers your PTSD happened while on title 10 orders and is in your medical records it shouldn’t be to difficult to be approved.
If that's what they require I'll do it. As of right now the on base therapist told me having years of going to a PhD level therapist will cut the process down. I may not get some of problems linked to military service but it will still be found as unfit for military service is how it was explained to me.
 

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Something I was thinking of doing if found unfit for duty is taking classes. If I take college classes will the VA do a reevaluation and lower my rating? If I get a bachelors degree and had 70 ptsd anxiety panic attacks would they say nope your healed 30 percent for you.
 

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The bases head of mental health is writing my narrsum and helping me gather more stuff. She reviewed my case and there was proof of head trauma. So my board will have PTSD anxiety panic attacks and TBI. I will pursue other conditions though va. I feel lucky cause I switched vco who is a friend and the person writing my narrsum worked as a c&p examiner. She told me the record of head truama is huge for TBI. It's going to be a grueling long process I can see that already but it's better to have everything in order.
 

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So I let my supervisor know that I'm in the process of being medically evaluated for fitness of duty but that there was a very high chance I would be found unfit on the military side. He said that it would help me out if he wrote things up showing me in an unfavorable manner. He told me other wise I may medical out in the military side and the technician fers side OPM will say my appraisals look good and I will just lose my job not get the medical pension from fers. I know he does not like me so he would not be doing this to help me. My question is my supervisor right will OPM let me go even though I lost military status from medical issues?Is my supervisor using what I told him against me so he can paint me in a negative light and say he is doing it to help me? From what I know if I lose my military status due to medical reasons I get a medical pension from fers. I don't think OPM needs a bunch of paperwork showing me I'm I'll of unable to perform my duties. Thanks in advance to anyone that can help me.
 

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“My question is my supervisor right will OPM let me go even though I lost military status from medical issues?Is my supervisor using what I told him against me so he can paint me in a negative light and say he is doing it to help me? From what I know if I lose my military status due to medical reasons I get a medical pension from fers. I don't think OPM needs a bunch of paperwork showing me I'm I'll of unable to perform my duties. Thanks in advance to anyone that can help me.”

T32 federal employees require a military membership. The short answer is you will no longer be eligible for T32 federal employment. As long as you don’t have over 20 years as a T32 and you receive a DoD disability retirement, you will qualify for the FERS disability retirement.

Part of your HR department’s responsibility is to offer you a new job that you can perform with your disabilities at your current pay grade. I have never seen this happen because of the physical and mental limitations, therefore you should receive the FERS 60/40 disability retirement.

In my opinion he’s not doing you any favors. As the supervisor it’s their responsibility to take care of the employees, not do them harm.
 

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“My question is my supervisor right will OPM let me go even though I lost military status from medical issues?Is my supervisor using what I told him against me so he can paint me in a negative light and say he is doing it to help me? From what I know if I lose my military status due to medical reasons I get a medical pension from fers. I don't think OPM needs a bunch of paperwork showing me I'm I'll of unable to perform my duties. Thanks in advance to anyone that can help me.”

T32 federal employees require a military membership. The short answer is you will no longer be eligible for T32 federal employment. As long as you don’t have over 20 years as a T32 and you receive a DoD disability retirement, you will qualify for the FERS disability retirement.

Part of your HR department’s responsibility is to offer you a new job that you can perform with your disabilities at your current pay grade. I have never seen this happen because of the physical and mental limitations, therefore you should receive the FERS 60/40 disability retirement.

In my opinion he’s not doing you any favors. As the supervisor it’s their responsibility to take care of the employees, not do them harm.
Hypothetical here What if I didn't receive a DoD retirement medical out of military for non work related issues. Could that cause just a loss of employment with out benefits?
Ok thanks, I was pretty sure that loss of military status for medical reasons would cause a 60/40 retirement but he was selling it hard to me that he would wright up reports that that made me look bad but I should go with it or OPM would say I'm not disabled. But it didn't make sense to me cause I'm T32. The guy does not like me so when he said I'm gonna do this to help you I was like what the hell is in it for you in my head. Think he wants to make sure I don't get retained is all I can come to. This is the reason I don't want to stay in HEAD GAMES FROM SUPERVISORS.
 

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Hypothetical here What if I didn't receive a DoD retirement medical out of military for non work related issues. Could that cause just a loss of employment with out benefits?
Ok thanks, I was pretty sure that loss of military status for medical reasons would cause a 60/40 retirement but he was selling it hard to me that he would wright up reports that that made me look bad but I should go with it or OPM would say I'm not disabled. But it didn't make sense to me cause I'm T32. The guy does not like me so when he said I'm gonna do this to help you I was like what the hell is in it for you in my head. Think he wants to make sure I don't get retained is all I can come to. This is the reason I don't want to stay in HEAD GAMES FROM SUPERVISORS.

Do you have any LODs? Are you code 37? or on you on a profile(469)?

The T32 60/40 only becomes available after you have been found unfit for Military serves . Normally you would go through the DAWG, then if found unfit by the DAWG that information would get written up in a NARSUM and then sent to the MEB where you would go through that whole process, the MEB would review your case and determine if you can have and ALC and returned to Duty or forwarded to the IPEB. The IPEB would look at your conditions as "fitting" and if they are "serves connected". if the IPEB finds you "unfit" at that point. That unfitting information will qualify you for the 60/40 T32 Public Law retirement. That process can take a long time and if you have supervision that doesn't like you they can make your life really difficult. Mine took 4 years and my Supervisors where the opposite of helpful.
 

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Do you have any LODs? Are you code 37? or on you on a profile(469)?

The T32 60/40 only becomes available after you have been found unfit for Military serves . Normally you would go through the DAWG, then if found unfit by the DAWG that information would get written up in a NARSUM and then sent to the MEB where you would go through that whole process, the MEB would review your case and determine if you can have and ALC and returned to Duty or forwarded to the IPEB. The IPEB would look at your conditions as "fitting" and if they are "serves connected". if the IPEB finds you "unfit" at that point. That unfitting information will qualify you for the 60/40 T32 Public Law retirement. That process can take a long time and if you have supervision that doesn't like you they can make your life really difficult. Mine took 4 years and my Supervisors where the opposite of helpful.
The person that's writing my narsum submitted me for LOD I'm not deployable as profile. Not sure if I'm code 37. I think my supervisor want to make sure I'm found unfit. People like him are the reason I'm not going to fight to stay in. I don't think he needs to paint me in a negative light for me to be unfit, they have a stack of medical papers as proof I should be retired. In may I was told the process here could take 9 months. If it takes 4 years my supervisor will force me to insanity. I would just quit at some point. You don't need an LOD to be 60/40 retire do you?
 
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A LOD makes the military side go smoother. If your case goes up and is reviewed and they feel is missing something they will return your case without action and then it falls back on your medical unit to accomplish whatever they find, like a LOD.

The 9 months is an accurate timeline for the T32 60/40 to get accomplish after you have been found unfit by the IPEB.

I even did the LDES and my military took over a year after they got all the correct paperwork sorted out.
 

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I have an appointment next week hopefully I will find out more info on timelines and what to do about my supervisor. They made it seem like it would go very fast after the fit unfit determination.
 

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My NARSUM is complete and has been sent to medical cause the injuries I sustained years ago should have been in the line of duty is what I've been told. Does anyone know how long that typically takes to determine? After that I'm told it will go to the state air surgeon and then guard bureau. At that point they receive everything and I get a fit unfit and dod rating. I was told this process will take a few months to complete and they have seen this whole process take a couple of months up to a year. I'm hoping it goes good and hoping the LOD does not slow it way down. Does any one have good info on SAS and NGB time lines?
 
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