ARMY IG States go to ARMY BOARD due Navy Army Transfer 3P Disqualification.

[seaairmariner]

I am trying to make an argument, that I deserve disability coverage from the point 1998 when my Navy Army transfer was medically disqualified. The 3P Spine Musculoskeletal Psychiatric records were administratively handled in error and never transferred to the Navy. The Army has said those 3P records are destroyed. I think anyone on the earth, no matter what branch, with a 3P for those reasons would 100% get further medical attention if things worked properly.

I went after the fact that the military has all these insurances for injury on a military base that covers civilians, civilian employees, and even just applicants. I have found laws, instructions, and Department of Defense forms that state that is true.

So why am I having such a hard time stating as a military service member with a 3p I deserved better care and actual disability awareness and protections and activation of disability coverage at least similar to a civilian, civilian employee, or even just a applicant for military service on a a military base?


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I don't mean to be dismissive but based on the all the information you have presented I don't think you have a case for a medical retirement. Good Luck!

 

[seaairmariner]

I don't mean to be dismissive but based on the all the information you have presented I don't think you have a case for a medical retirement. Good Luck!

Thanks for the feedback.
Since this is public record discussion, I am open to hearing all the reasons upon think I don’t.

I have heard this before. I also get opinions that my story and case are strong for that relief.

When I hear I do not deserve the relief I instantly recall the homelessness, my mom suffering in confusion and worry, my fiancé leaving me, without any benefits no where, for many years.

When the benefits were given partially at the va, not because they instantly wanted to, I survived ,any denials. I could finally sit back and put pieces together,

Now I know what help even a 10 percent disability rating and awareness would of been to my develop,ent and the safety of my loved ones who cared for me.

When people say I do t deserve anything the. Essentially they are ok with putting injured military members in the streets confused ill without protection.

I am not saying you meant that. It that is the logical connection and precedent when I denial is put forth.

They are rubber stamping that it was completely normal and ok and something to repeat.

 

[DaveK]

Thanks for the feedback.
Since this is public record discussion, I am open to hearing all the reasons upon think I don’t.

I have heard this before. I also get opinions that my story and case are strong for that relief.

When I hear I do not deserve the relief I instantly recall the homelessness, my mom suffering in confusion and worry, my fiancé leaving me, without any benefits no where, for many years.

When the benefits were given partially at the va, not because they instantly wanted to, I survived ,any denials. I could finally sit back and put pieces together,

Now I know what help even a 10 percent disability rating and awareness would of been to my develop,ent and the safety of my loved ones who cared for me.

When people say I do t deserve anything the. Essentially they are ok with putting injured military members in the streets confused ill without protection.

I am not saying you meant that. It that is the logical connection and precedent when I denial is put forth.

They are rubber stamping that it was completely normal and ok and something to repeat.

Hello,


Based on reading your many posts across many threads, it does appear you would not qualify for Chapter 61 DoD medical retirement as others have stated. Lets try to confirm this.

Your posts such as the one above have a significant amount of opinion verses the facts needed to discern the potential of ones legal eligibility. We can all agree here that no service member should be thrown to street, homeless, etc... But that does not help us with making an educated guess on your eligibility. Please try to refrain from those statements and strictly focus on the needed info/facts for retirement eligibility. Please do your best to answer the below questions.

Total Years/months/days of service - Active, guard, reserve?

Type and character of discharge - separation with P3 - is there an RE code of 4 on your DD-214? What words are next to the RE code?

Medical conditions diagnosed at that time that would have qualified you for Chapter 61 DoD medical retirement?

You stated you were diagnosed with bipolar. Bipolar typically results in military separation vs military retirement. Are there any clear documents starting your bipolar is directly caused by military service?

You stated you have musculoskeletal issues. Is there a clear diagnosis stating what these issues are and that they are directly caused by military service?


Remember, sometimes service members must be separated and have not earned medical retirement, but do qualify for VA benefits. Try to clearly answer the above questions.


Dave

 

[seaairmariner]

Hello,


Based on reading your many posts across many threads, it does appear you would not qualify for Chapter 61 DoD medical retirement as others have stated. Lets try to confirm this.

Your posts such as the one above have a significant amount of opinion verses the facts needed to discern the potential of ones legal eligibility. We can all agree here that no service member should be thrown to street, homeless, etc... But that does not help us with making an educated guess on your eligibility. Please try to refrain from those statements and strictly focus on the needed info/facts for retirement eligibility. Please do your best to answer the below questions.

Total Years/months/days of service - Active, guard, reserve?

Type and character of discharge - separation with P3 - is there an RE code of 4 on your DD-214? What words are next to the RE code?

Medical conditions diagnosed at that time that would have qualified you for Chapter 61 DoD medical retirement?

You stated you were diagnosed with bipolar. Bipolar typically results in military separation vs military retirement. Are there any clear documents starting your bipolar is directly caused by military service?

You stated you have musculoskeletal issues. Is there a clear diagnosis stating what these issues are and that they are directly caused by military service?


Remember, sometimes service members must be separated and have not earned medical retirement, but do qualify for VA benefits. Try to clearly answer the above questions.


Dave

Dave

Thanks for going through this with me.
Ill answer the questions with objective facts of record.

Total Years: 8 year SELRES contract. 5 years assigned active duty ship
Chapter 61 Medical Conditions:
1998 DOD stopped Navy Army transfer to get off the ship with a Re 3P for Spine Musculoskeletal Psychiatric
Diagnosis: 1999 I was diagnosed with Major Depression Bipolar on Navy base. There is no treatment record.
Discharge: 2002 May Honorable re1 with no medical discharge physical. 1 Month later 2002 June in civilian psychiatric hospital getting medications. 2002-2017 housing income issues
2010 SSDI Psychiatric awarded. Social Security award never mentioned I served in the military
2016 Army IG stated my 1998 Navy Army transfer medical exam records destroyed and not sent to the Navy
2017: BVA Federal Judge and C/P exam directly linked Psychiatric Spine Musculoskeletal for LOD Service Connection to the Navy Ship
2023 BCNR states Army “error” not sending the 3P Medical Examination records in 1998, are not an injustice the Navy can provide relief for.

Best
Aaron

 

[DaveK]

Dave

Thanks for going through this with me.
Ill answer the questions with objective facts of record.

Total Years: 8 year SELRES contract. 5 years assigned active duty ship
Chapter 61 Medical Conditions:
1998 DOD stopped Navy Army transfer to get off the ship with a Re 3P for Spine Musculoskeletal Psychiatric
Diagnosis: 1999 I was diagnosed with Major Depression Bipolar on Navy base. There is no treatment record.
Discharge: 2002 May Honorable re1 with no medical discharge physical. 1 Month later 2002 June in civilian psychiatric hospital getting medications. 2002-2017 housing income issues
2010 SSDI Psychiatric awarded. Social Security award never mentioned I served in the military
2016 Army IG stated my 1998 Navy Army transfer medical exam records destroyed and not sent to the Navy
2017: BVA Federal Judge and C/P exam directly linked Psychiatric Spine Musculoskeletal for LOD Service Connection to the Navy Ship
2023 BCNR states Army “error” not sending the 3P Medical Examination records in 1998, are not an injustice the Navy can provide relief for.

Best
Aaron

Please note that I am just another Vet on an internet board just sharing my experience and trying to help. Please verify everything with an expert such as a qualified lawyer. And I welcome the experts here to correct anything this amateur (me) may be interpreting incorrectly.

Aaron,

Based on the limited perspective from your posts I believed I formed the needed question. Are the medical requirements for initial entry into another branch of service via transfer different from the medical requirements for retention and Chapter 61 Medical Retirement in the current branch of service?

Please keep in mind that DoD Initial Entry, DoD Chapter 61 medical retirement, DoD CRSC, SSDI, VA disability, and Fed Civilian Disability all have very different requirements for a person to be approved. A person can be approved for one and not for another. And those rules have changed greatly over the years. So the years for your consideration would be 1998 to 2002.

For the purpose of DoD Chapter 61 you would fall under DES or what is now known as LDES. The IDES program that combined the DoD and VA did not start until 2007. So this would all be based on the typically much less favorable DoD medical exams and interpretations verses VA C&P exams.


Thanks for going through this with me.
Yes, of course. The frustration in your previous posts was definitely coming through and I feel for ya. Feeling alone in your case is not good. Regardless of your eligibility to medical retirement, I respect that you did not get a fair shake. It sucks as I have been in similar situations due to admin/medical issues. It seems like some clarity and potential closure could be helpful.


Ill answer the questions with objective facts of record.
Total Years: 8 year SELRES contract. 5 years assigned active duty ship
For your info 8 collective years of active duty, not drilling time, allows for preexisting medical conditions to be considered under DoD Chapter 61 retirement. As you stated, you do not meet that standard. To ensure I understand you served the complete 8 year Navy reserve contract as a part-timer and a separate 5 years as Navy active. Or 8 years reserve with some of that time (5 years) drilling on an active duty ship.


Chapter 61 Medical Conditions:
1998 DOD stopped Navy Army transfer to get off the ship with a Re 3P for Spine Musculoskeletal Psychiatric
To clarify your transfer to the Army was stopped due to 3 separate medical issues including the spine, musculoskeletal, and psychiatric. There are cases of musculoskeletal issues being the cause of psychiatric issues which are then seen as a primary condition and secondary. How does the VA break down your ratings?

Regardless, these above conditions were documented by the Army during the application for transfer, but are now lost? Is there any other documentation from that time of 1998 mentioning these conditions?


Diagnosis: 1999 I was diagnosed with Major Depression Bipolar on Navy base. There is no treatment record.
I understand there are no treatment records. However, there is a record of the diagnosis. Does that form with the diagnosis have any other info on it such as stating duty or not duty related? Does it elude to the bipolar being a preexisting condition in any way?


Discharge: 2002 May Honorable re1 with no medical discharge physical.
The good news is that its Honorable discharge. The bad news is that this can be taken to mean you were actually capable of fulfilling your duties and contract which could then be interpreted to mean you were not eligible for Chapter 61 medical retirement. As an example, over 20 years I served 10+ of my years with a VA rated mental health condition.


1 Month later 2002 June in civilian psychiatric hospital getting medications. 2002-2017 housing income issues
I am very sorry to hear that your issues resulted in hospitalization and housing/income issues. I am glad you got help and later financial relief from the VA and SSDI.


2010 SSDI Psychiatric awarded. Social Security award never mentioned I served in the military
While it is always a bummer to be in a medical situation, I am glad you are receiving SSDI for support. It is also important to note that with SSDI it is all or nothing. A person can be partially disabled and still not be approved for SSDI unlike VA disability which pays in percentages.


2016 Army IG stated my 1998 Navy Army transfer medical exam records destroyed and not sent to the Navy.
Does the verbiage in the report actually state the word destroyed? Being unable to recover documents is very normal for that era as it was almost all physical papers. However, being able to specifically identify that documents were destroyed is interesting, but does not by itself lead to possible medical retirement.


2017: BVA Federal Judge and C/P exam directly linked Psychiatric Spine Musculoskeletal for LOD Service Connection to the Navy Ship
By BVA do you mean Board of Veteran Affairs? I just want to clarify because LOD or Line of Duty is typically a term used by the various branches of service. The VA typically makes statements such as “as likely as not” to link service members injuries to their actual service.


2023 BCNR states Army “error” not sending the 3P Medical Examination records in 1998, are not an injustice the Navy can provide relief for.
What was the premise of your 2023 BCNR case? Did you specifically make the case/request of consideration for Chapter 61 medical retirement? The specific wording really matters to especially include if your were already denied your Chapter 61 medical retirement request.


Summary Conclusion: Based only on the limited provided data it appears that you were likely properly prohibited from transfer between branches of service based on medical conditions in 1998. However, the supporting transfer paperwork was mishandled. You then continued and completed your existing military service contract in 2002. It can then be interrupted that while you medically were diagnosed with several medical conditions in service, these conditions did not prohibit you from doing your military assigned job. For DoD DES Chapter 61 requirement, ones medical conditions must prohibit that individual from specifically competing their assign job and military tasks.

While your contention may be that your medical conditions were so bad in 1998 that the Navy should have processed you for potential Chapter 61 medical retirement, your paperwork supports a different interpretation with no treatment records and an honorable discharge in 2002. While it appears your medical conditions were caused by military service, the conditions were not medically interfering with your duties to warrant DoD Chapter 61 medical retirement during service.

Your statements and paperwork support that your military connected medical conditions worsened after completion of military service with an Honorable discharge. This then makes you potentially eligible for medical care and assistance with the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Disability Program. You state you are already rated and receiving both VA disability and SSDI.



I know this is not the outcome you were hoping for. But I want you to know that you can and should be proud of your completed Honorable Military Service. You very much so did earn all the benefits you are receiving. Please hold you head high and enjoy your future!

Dave

 

[seaairmariner]

Based on the limited perspective from your posts I believed I formed the needed question. Are the medical requirements for initial entry into another branch of service via transfer different from the medical requirements for retention and Chapter 61 Medical Retirement in the current branch of service?

My study teaches me this(Not in exact order)
1) DOD Instruction are logically similar for accession and retention in body systems and waivers.
2) Confusingly Branches have there own accession retention instructions, that seemingly similar, based on the DOD standards,
3)DOD PULHES standard on SF 88 (old) SF 2808 medical examination form is the same form used in accession, retention, and discharge
4) A PULHES of 3P in accession, retention, and discharge medical examination would need a waiver processed.
5) Retention instructions are actually a process which creates a waiver, to be performed.
6) You can not just assume someone meet standards, especially when someone has a 3P
7) A 3P Is an objective standard someone has a medical problem
8) I am sure, and I will bet nearly everything, a 3P will be the code used when someone is Medically Retired via Chapter 61

My only problem is no one cleared me of a 3P for those conditions in service. The Navy says they never saw the 3P medical examintion, so it is “Error” they can not fix. I was ill, and actually in shock, still stuck in a contract, I could not remove myself from, even via transfer. I did not want to risk things further by not showing up for duty. So I made it to the end.

 

[seaairmariner]

8 years reserve with some of that time (5 years) drilling on an active duty ship.

Dave

This is correct.

I am going to create a scenario, then ask a question, if you can see a direct line to a medical problem being created by this scenario.

Would someone assume you would hurt a 18 year old assigning them part time with a reserve lack of benefits, to go through SEAL BUDS training, Ranger Battalion, or a NFL Football Team, or even a a FBI Swat Team etc part time for 5 years, with no end in sight, possibly to last the whole 8 years, before you can consider another option?

Your contracted pay will be nearly zero, below the poverty line for sure, over the years. They don’t care if they send you home a wreck in shock, from the field, from surf torture, from close calls with weapon systems, from HELO OPS that scared the Shit out Of You, sea sickness at a minimum, after combat “training” experience, in the middle of the ocean every month, in a coordinated Team effort, that you can can never quite get correct as you are sent home, only part time assigned.

You can read about the NRF Naval Reserve Force FFG and the SAM Enlistment if you google.

No my Navy Army Transfer and the results are not surprising any more when you enter the NRF FFG SAM data into it.

This experience is super rare. Infact having a SAM enlistment assigned to a FFG is so rare, I have not found another in all my searches online over the years, trying to find another SAM enlisted assigned to a FFG. You are reading a rare navy story here. I am not trying to be facetious. I want to be fact checked and corrected with objective and common sense evidence by any one.

I got a Sea Service Ribbon

The mere fact I survived that crap only goes to my own stregnth. Otherwise that was a suicidal mission and they shut it all down, mothballed the NRF FFG SAM experience.

 

[seaairmariner]

 

[seaairmariner]

2016 Army IG stated my 1998 Navy Army transfer medical exam records destroyed and not sent to the Navy.
Does the verbiage in the report actually state the word destroyed? Being unable to recover documents is very normal for that era as it was almost all physical papers. However, being able to specifically identify that documents were destroyed is interesting, but does not by itself lead to possible medical retirement.

 

[DaveK]

My study teaches me this(Not in exact order)
1) DOD Instruction are logically similar for accession and retention in body systems and waivers.
2) Confusingly Branches have there own accession retention instructions, that seemingly similar, based on the DOD standards,
3)DOD PULHES standard on SF 88 (old) SF 2808 medical examination form is the same form used in accession, retention, and discharge
4) A PULHES of 3P in accession, retention, and discharge medical examination would need a waiver processed.
5) Retention instructions are actually a process which creates a waiver, to be performed.
6) You can not just assume someone meet standards, especially when someone has a 3P
7) A 3P Is an objective standard someone has a medical problem
8) I am sure, and I will bet nearly everything, a 3P will be the code used when someone is Medically Retired via Chapter 61

My only problem is no one cleared me of a 3P for those conditions in service. The Navy says they never saw the 3P medical examintion, so it is “Error” they can not fix. I was ill, and actually in shock, still stuck in a contract, I could not remove myself from, even via transfer. I did not want to risk things further by not showing up for duty. So I made it to the end.

Sorry friend, but your conflating of initial entry, retention, transfer, separation, and retirement regulations are not correct and appear to be the direct cause of your troubles. You appear to be connecting dots that are not there.

A medical condition that is a denial for transfer is not necessarily one that prohibits retention nor automatically qualifies one for medical retirement even when the paperwork overlaps.

Its important to note that the P3 profiles under the PULHES scores in service are not under the same requirements as the completed 3P PULHES findings for initial entry/transfer. Even with it being on the same form the standards and waivers are different.

A person can apply to one branch of service and be denied while applying to another and get accepted. It can then flip the next year. That happens all the time and is constantly changing based on the needs of the individual branches of service for recruitment and retention.

You disqualified yourself for retroactive Chapter 61 Medical Retirement or separation in 1999 by continuing military service into 2002 and being Honorably Discharged for completion of contract. Simply, you proved you could complete your job while being injured/disabled. You should be proud of that. Many, many service members fight to continue serving while being injured/disabled. It takes great strength of character.

Ill give you an advanced example that is true today, but was not during your service. The branches of service must accept the disability percentage rating provided by current VA exams standards under the IDES process for DoD Chapter 61 Medical Retirement. While the DoD must accept those findings, it can and does then permit the DoD to drop any disabilities that do not specifically preclude a service member from completing their specific MOS based on DoD standards, not VA standards. So, a service member can be VA rated at 100% and simultaneously rated below 30% in the DoD from the exact same medical exams. This below 30% DoD would result in denial of Chapter 61 Medical Retirement and end in medical separation with a 100% VA rating. They are logically similar as you have stated, but not medically legally the same for qualifications purposes in law.

Dave

 

[DaveK]

Dave

This is correct.

I am going to create a scenario, then ask a question, if you can see a direct line to a medical problem being created by this scenario.

Would someone assume you would hurt a 18 year old assigning them part time with a reserve lack of benefits, to go through SEAL BUDS training, Ranger Battalion, or a NFL Football Team, or even a a FBI Swat Team etc part time for 5 years, with no end in sight, possibly to last the whole 8 years, before you can consider another option?

Your contracted pay will be nearly zero, below the poverty line for sure, over the years. They don’t care if they send you home a wreck in shock, from the field, from surf torture, from close calls with weapon systems, from HELO OPS that scared the Shit out Of You, sea sickness at a minimum, after combat “training” experience, in the middle of the ocean every month, in a coordinated Team effort, that you can can never quite get correct as you are sent home, only part time assigned.

You can read about the NRF Naval Reserve Force FFG and the SAM Enlistment if you google.

No my Navy Army Transfer and the results are not surprising any more when you enter the NRF FFG SAM data into it.

This experience is super rare. Infact having a SAM enlistment assigned to a FFG is so rare, I have not found another in all my searches online over the years, trying to find another SAM enlisted assigned to a FFG. You are reading a rare navy story here. I am not trying to be facetious. I want to be fact checked and corrected with objective and common sense evidence by any one.

I got a Sea Service Ribbon

The mere fact I survived that crap only goes to my own stregnth. Otherwise that was a suicidal mission and they shut it all down, mothballed the NRF FFG SAM experience.

This whole post is grammatically very hard for me to understand. It appears to me that you are injecting a lot of opinion and feelings here. This will not help your case and may hurt it.

I will still take a guess...

Would someone assume you would hurt a 18 year old assigning them part time with a reserve lack of benefits, to go through SEAL BUDS training, Ranger Battalion, or a NFL Football Team, or even a a FBI Swat Team etc part time for 5 years, with no end in sight, possibly to last the whole 8 years, before you can consider another option?

My opinion based on what I am guessing you mean... Yes, we sign up for military service without any guarantee that we will be taken care of by the DoD after service. In fact that is why the VA was created. And then when the VA fell short for Vietnam Vets, the Vet Center was created.

 

[seaairmariner]

Discharge: 2002 May Honorable re1 with no medical discharge physical.
The good news is that its Honorable discharge. The bad news is that this can be taken to mean you were actually capable of fulfilling your duties and contract which could then be interpreted to mean you were not eligible for Chapter 61 medical retirement. As an example, over 20 years I served 10+ of my years with a VA rated mental health condition.

Thanks for that honest view. The Navy never saw the re-3P medical exam. The assumed, with no medical review, I was fit for duty, because I was tough.

So if I was weaker and complained, maybe I would have gotten help way earlier???

That is amazing, you had a rated VA Mental Condition, and were still serving.

I take it there was no gap at all, for care, for medical conditions caused by military service on your end??

I would have benefited wholly from a similar care and acknowledgment.

See I look back on things, the story written. Without any care or acknowledgement, I was allowed to be considered fit for duty, although honorably discharged directly into civilian psychiatric hospital a care medicated without va or DOD care benefit or entitlement.

If that is not a complete error or failure of the system then I don’t know what is.

If I was even given a 0% service connection in service, and given a option to continue to serve, with acknowelegement and care of my issues, as connected to duty, then I would of fared far greater of a time.

I use your story and others to understnad how the system works

I know that it is complete error to injure someone then discharge them without care

 

[seaairmariner]

This whole post is grammatically very hard for me to understand. It appears to me that you are injecting a lot of opinion and feelings here. This will not help your case and may hurt it.

I will still take a guess...

Would someone assume you would hurt a 18 year old assigning them part time with a reserve lack of benefits, to go through SEAL BUDS training, Ranger Battalion, or a NFL Football Team, or even a a FBI Swat Team etc part time for 5 years, with no end in sight, possibly to last the whole 8 years, before you can consider another option?

My opinion based on what I am guessing you mean... Yes, we sign up for military service without any guarantee that we will be taken care of by the DoD after service. In fact that is why the VA was created. And then when the VA fell short for Vietnam Vets, the Vet Center was created.

Sorry I am attempting to translate a really screwed up rare Navy experience. There are literally 20-30 Navy reports about this screwed up NRF FFG and SAM reality that they shut down. It was rare. I have to piece it all together with no Navy help. The only help I have are old Navy reports about a screwed up command they knew was screwed up and shut down, in an attempt to save money, on manpower.

 

[seaairmariner]

A medical condition that is a denial for transfer is not necessarily one that prohibits retention nor automatically qualifies one for medical retirement even when the paperwork overlaps.

This determination would have been made in real time at the time the 3P was generated to stop a transfer.

I posted evidence in the thread, the Army never sent the 3P records to the Navy and destroyed the evidence after 7 years.

The only evidence I have is looking backwards.

That same service member with a 3P that was mishandled, would be discharged with a military caused medical condition instantly into a Civilian Psych Hospital Medicated, in poverty, with No VA or DOD help or support or acknowledgement. Infact the Navy said he was fit for duty with a re1. He could never pass a reenlistment physical based on standards of re-enlistment. The re 1 was an error and fraudulent.

 

[seaairmariner]

This determination would have been made in real time at the time the 3P was generated to stop a transfer.

I posted evidence in the thread, the Army never sent the 3P records to the Navy and destroyed the evidence after 7 years.

The only evidence I have is looking backwards.

That same service member with a 3P that was mishandled, would be discharged with a military caused medical condition instantly into a Civilian Psych Hospital Medicated, in poverty, with No VA or DOD help or support or acknowledgement. Infact the Navy said he was fit for duty with a re1. He could never pass a reenlistment physical based on standards of re-enlistment. The re 1 was an error and fraudulent.

 

[DaveK]

This determination would have been made in real time at the time the 3P was generated to stop a transfer.

I posted evidence in the thread, the Army never sent the 3P records to the Navy and destroyed the evidence after 7 years.

The only evidence I have is looking backwards.

That same service member with a 3P that was mishandled, would be discharged with a military caused medical condition instantly into a Civilian Psych Hospital Medicated, in poverty, with No VA or DOD help or support or acknowledgement. Infact the Navy said he was fit for duty with a re1. He could never pass a reenlistment physical based on standards of re-enlistment. The re 1 was an error and fraudulent.

"This determination would have been made in real time at the time the 3P was generated to stop a transfer." - No, it would not have been. This is not how the various processes work.

 

[DaveK]

Thanks for that honest view. The Navy never saw the re-3P medical exam. The assumed, with no medical review, I was fit for duty, because I was tough.

So if I was weaker and complained, maybe I would have gotten help way earlier???

That is amazing, you had a rated VA Mental Condition, and were still serving.

I take it there was no gap at all, for care, for medical conditions caused by military service on your end??

I would have benefited wholly from a similar care and acknowledgment.

See I look back on things, the story written. Without any care or acknowledgement, I was allowed to be considered fit for duty, although honorably discharged directly into civilian psychiatric hospital a care medicated without va or DOD care benefit or entitlement.

If that is not a complete error or failure of the system then I don’t know what is.

If I was even given a 0% service connection in service, and given a option to continue to serve, with acknowelegement and care of my issues, as connected to duty, then I would of fared far greater of a time.

I use your story and others to understnad how the system works

I know that it is complete error to injure someone then discharge them without care

"So if I was weaker and complained, maybe I would have gotten help way earlier???" - Likely yes, if you would have complained, failed to complete you duties, ended up hospitalized and homeless while in service, things probably would have played out differently.

"I take it there was no gap at all, for care, for medical conditions caused by military service on your end?" - Tons, it was a mess. I am fine with it, made peace with it. And today while still in I try use that experience to help others not fall through the cracks.



"See I look back on things, the story written. Without any care or acknowledgement, I was allowed to be considered fit for duty, although honorably discharged directly into civilian psychiatric hospital a care medicated without va or DOD care benefit or entitlement.

If that is not a complete error or failure of the system then I don’t know what is." - It may be very hard to hear, but respectfully no, I do not see a complete error or failure of the system based on all the data you have provided. Remember to only look at the paperwork and facts such as your service contract time completion. When you state it all in a short sentence then it looks terrible, but it leaves out all the pertinent facts such as the years of time. Remember, at that time the DoD DES was not favorable for bipolar. It is likely you could have been kicked out for a "non-service connected" reason. - meaning no retirement and benefits.

You were rejected from transfer into another branch, but retained by your original service. That is allowed and has happened many times.

You had diagnosed medical issues, but were able to complete your military contract with those issues as evident by your Honorable Discharge. Due to those issues not stopping you from serving, it is probable then it would have only resulted in a low or 0% DoD rating which then means military separation and not chapter 61 retirement should your Army 3P have made its way to the Navy. That would then mean no retirement, no DoD medical care and likely no or little VA benefits.

After discharge you where hospitalized and later homeless. That is not the responsibility of the DoD even if we want it to be as you were separated. It now falls under VA and SSDI which benefits you are receiving.


At this stage there is an important question to ask yourself.... Assuming you were completely screwed over and everything you believe to be true is, can you live with it? It seems to be time to make peace with the past and let it stay there. Be proud of your service, your benefits, and nearly maxing every financial incentive there is. Go enjoy your present and instead of dreaming about what could have been in the past, dream of a great future.

I wish you the best of luck moving forward,

Dave