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Hey Guardguy, thanks for the response. What were your total retirement points? Not total points, that's a completely different ball game. And not total AD points. But total "retire" points according to vMPF?
My total retirement points as of my R&R closeout on 31 May was 4708. I anticipate another 150 on top of that before my actual retirement. 18 years of TAFMS. As long as my retirement date is 1 Nov or later, my minimum retirement percentage will be 35% (2.5 times 14 years (4861 X 360 = 13.501 years rounded up to 14). I am hoping for 60%... but we shall see once the VA finally finishes.
 

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RonG, can you help me out with some math for the sake of argument? 60% DOD rating, 90% VA rating, 20 yrs active. High 3 3800. No dependents. What am I looking at financially? With TIS, should think CRDP eligible?
Military retirement = (.60 * 3800) = $2280 taxable
VA CRDP since greater than 50% & 20 years of service - $1,833.62 untaxable per Veterans Compensation Benefits Rate Tables - Effective 12/1/18 - Compensation

Looks like a monthly payment of $4113.62

It will obviously fluctuate if you have any combat related disabilities or any SMC.
 

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RonG, can you help me out with some math for the sake of argument? 60% DOD rating, 90% VA rating, 20 yrs active. High 3 3800. No dependents. What am I looking at financially? With TIS, should think CRDP eligible?
Hello,
I infer you qualify a regular retirement (because of 7200 points or more) and have a CH 61 retirement @ 60%. I also infer from another comment that you have been in the reserves and have 20 good years AND 7200 points or more.

1. 3800 high three x 0.60 = 2280 retired pay
2. VA comp = 1,833.62
3. 2280 - 1833.62 = 446.38 retired pay remaining
4. 3800 x 0.50 (20 yrs ad) = 1900 longevity portion of retired pay
5. VA offset 1833.62 is maximum CRDP - 446.38 = 1387.24 CRDP
6. DFAS will pay 446.38 residual retired pay + 1387.24 =1833.62

The estimate above is based on the info you provided and the inferences in the first two sentences.

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Hello,
I infer you qualify a regular retirement (because of 7200 points or more) and have a CH 61 retirement @ 60%. I also infer from another comment that you have been in the reserves and have 20 good years AND 7200 points or more.

1. 3800 high three x 0.60 = 2280 retired pay
2. VA comp = 1,833.62
3. 2280 - 1833.62 = 446.38 retired pay remaining
4. 3800 x 0.50 (20 yrs ad) = 1900 longevity portion of retired pay
5. VA offset 1833.62 is maximum CRDP - 446.38 = 1387.24 CRDP
6. DFAS will pay 446.38 residual retired pay + 1387.24 =1833.62

The estimate above is based on the info you provided and the inferences in the first two sentences.

Ron
Ron, since in her hypothetical situation she has 20 years, wouldn't her DOD & VA pay out concurrently since the VA is over 50%?
 

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Ron, since in her hypothetical situation she has 20 years, wouldn't her DOD & VA pay out concurrently since the VA is over 50%?
In her stated case, she has a 60% DoD disability rate for retirement. That results in some of the waived retired pay not being restored by CRDP.

CRDP and CRSC have certain ceilings. On of those is "not to exceed to exceed the amount of waived retired pay".

I used to look at such cases every day, but they rarely occur here. I will revisit the financial regulation.

Thank you for the question.

Ron
 

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And this is why you are the man... thanks for the clarification
 

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640401. Special Rule for Disability Retirement Members retired for disability under 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61, §§ 1201 through 1222 remain subject to the offset required under 38 U.S.C. §§ 5304 and 5305 for any retired pay they receive that is in excess of the amount of retired pay to which they would be entitled under any other provision of law based on service in the Uniformed Services, had they not retired for disability. Since retired pay in excess of the amount calculated for years in service is still subject to offset under the CRDP program, a member with an amount of retired pay remaining after offset of VA disability compensation, that is greater than the amount calculated for years of service, is not eligible for any increase in payment of retired pay under the CRDP program.

Modification.

1. 3800 high three x 0.60 = 2280 retired pay
2280 retired pay minus 1900 dollar amount of longevity retire pay = 380 disability portion of retired pay that cannot be restored by CRDP and 1530 that can be.
2. VA comp = 1,833.62
3. 2280 - 1833.62 = 446.38 retired pay remaining
4. 3800 x 0.50 (20 yrs ad) = 1900 longevity portion of retired pay
5. 1900 longevity retired pay. DFAS will pay 446.38 residual retired pay + 1453.62 CRDP = 1900 dollar amount of longevity portion of retired pay

Nice catch on your part.


I am unsure of how the DFAS RAS will present the result shown above since CRDP is retired pay.

Ron
 

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Hello,
I infer you qualify a regular retirement (because of 7200 points or more) and have a CH 61 retirement @ 60%. I also infer from another comment that you have been in the reserves and have 20 good years AND 7200 points or more.

1. 3800 high three x 0.60 = 2280 retired pay
2. VA comp = 1,833.62
3. 2280 - 1833.62 = 446.38 retired pay remaining
4. 3800 x 0.50 (20 yrs ad) = 1900 longevity portion of retired pay
5. VA offset 1833.62 is maximum CRDP - 446.38 = 1387.24 CRDP
6. DFAS will pay 446.38 residual retired pay + 1387.24 =1833.62

The estimate above is based on the info you provided and the inferences in the first two sentences.

Ron
Thanks Ron. I'm trying to weigh all my options, and see what appeals or fights are worth fighting. I am good at math, but I can't do VA/retirement math. What would it be if I got the DOD to 75, and VA at 100?

I can't thank you enough!
 

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640401. Special Rule for Disability Retirement Members retired for disability under 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61, §§ 1201 through 1222 remain subject to the offset required under 38 U.S.C. §§ 5304 and 5305 for any retired pay they receive that is in excess of the amount of retired pay to which they would be entitled under any other provision of law based on service in the Uniformed Services, had they not retired for disability. Since retired pay in excess of the amount calculated for years in service is still subject to offset under the CRDP program, a member with an amount of retired pay remaining after offset of VA disability compensation, that is greater than the amount calculated for years of service, is not eligible for any increase in payment of retired pay under the CRDP program.

Modification.

1. 3800 high three x 0.60 = 2280 retired pay
2280 retired pay minus 1900 dollar amount of longevity retire pay = 380 disability portion of retired pay that cannot be restored by CRDP and 1530 that can be.
2. VA comp = 1,833.62
3. 2280 - 1833.62 = 446.38 retired pay remaining
4. 3800 x 0.50 (20 yrs ad) = 1900 longevity portion of retired pay
5. 1900 longevity retired pay. DFAS will pay 446.38 residual retired pay + 1453.62 CRDP = 1900 dollar amount of longevity portion of retired pay

Nice catch on your part.


I am unsure of how the DFAS RAS will present the result shown above since CRDP is retired pay.

Ron
Sorry, my computer was doing some weird things, and I didn't see this before my previous post. So would that be 1900 total? Or 1900 + VA of 1833? for a total of 3733?
 

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Thanks Ron. I'm trying to weigh all my options, and see what appeals or fights are worth fighting. I am good at math, but I can't do VA/retirement math. What would it be if I got the DOD to 75, and VA at 100?

I can't thank you enough!
Hi,

Here is a modified estimate.

Based on new info, I infer you qualify for a regular retirement (because of 7200 points or more) and have a CH 61 retirement @ 80% (75% payable). I also infer from another comment that you have been in the reserves and have 20 good years AND 7200 points or more.


All Military Disability Ratings range from 0% to 100%, rounding off to the nearest 10 (you can’t get a 33% Military Disability Rating—it would be rounded down to 30%). However, the maximum is 75% payable for ratings @ 80%; 90% or 100%. You mentioned 75%, so that would be 80%, paid at 75%. (rounded up to 80%...75% is max)

1. 3800 high three x 0.75= 2850 retired pay ; all retired pay is waived due to 3000+ VA comp
2850 retired pay minus 1900 dollar amount of longevity retire pay = 950 disability portion of retired pay that cannot be restored by CRDP
2. VA comp = more than 3000 @ 100%
3. 2850 - ~3000 = zero retired pay remaining
4. 3800 x 0.50 (20 yrs ad) = 1900 longevity portion of retired pay
5. DFAS will pay CRDP = 1900 dollar amount of longevity portion of retired pay

You would also receive your VA compensation.


The estimate above is based on the info you provided

Ron
 

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Sorry, my computer was doing some weird things, and I didn't see this before my previous post. So would that be 1900 total? Or 1900 + VA of 1833? for a total of 3733?
It would be as I explained in post #27.

Since then, you have provided a different scenario for which I provided an estimate.

Both scenarios result in you receiving 1900 from DFAS total PLUS your VA compensation.

Ron
 

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Questions asked by original poster have been answered. Thread closed.

Visitors who have other CRDP questions are encouraged to start their own thread.

Ron
 
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