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CW15

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Hello, I have a couple questions. I just got a CRSC back pay statement for July 15th. It is a smaller amount than what I was thinking. My question is if they started Retro pay FEB 2018 to now will I get that back pay which is 76 months? Or is that payment it? Or is that just an installment?
Or is that adjusted due to VA Waiver?
 
CW15 said:
Hello, I have a couple questions. I just got a CRSC back pay statement for July 15th. It is a smaller amount than what I was thinking. My question is if they started Retro pay FEB 2018 to now will I get that back pay which is 76 months? Or is that payment it? Or is that just an installment?
Or is that adjusted due to VA Waiver?
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Hello,

Your CRSC approval letter should have the effective date for potential back pay.

In June , you mentioned , “I just got my CRSC approved unfortunately I only got 10% for tinnitus.”

10% = that rate and amount in the VA compensation tables. If you did not have a VA offset of your retired pay for the retro months, CRSC would not be payable for those months.

In general, retro CRSC is not paid with the initial payment. It is paid as a lump sum after auditing is finished.

Time frame: I once waited 30 months…I think it is now only a couple of months…I no longer keep up with it.

Ron
 
Thank you, I did receive another smaller amount in June $171. That makes sense now, I did have the VA offset pay during the retro months. Its been a lot faster than 30 months I was surprised it has been a short time.
 
CW15 said:
Thank you, I did receive another smaller amount in June $171. That makes sense now, I did have the VA offset pay during the retro months. It’s been a lot faster than 30 months I was surprised it has been a short time.
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It was years ago for me. I have received CRSC since 2008.

Good luck,
Ron
 
CW15 said:
Thank you, I did receive another smaller amount in June $171. That makes sense now, I did have the VA offset pay during the retro months. Its been a lot faster than 30 months I was surprised it has been a short time.
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45-60 days is the avg for retro pay once the initial pay has been established. And you would have only gotten 72 months max (six-year rule) for retro pay, so that could have contributed to the lesser amount, so the furthest it would have gone back was June 2018.
 
RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
45-60 days is the avg for retro pay once the initial pay has been established. And you would have only gotten 72 months max (six-year rule) for retro pay, so that could have contributed to the lesser amount, so the furthest it would have gone back was June 2018.
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The retro pay statement is significantly smaller than I was thinking. I really wasn't expecting the retro pay only 15 days after my first monthly.
 
CW15 said:
The retro pay statement is significantly smaller than I was thinking. I really wasn't expecting the retro pay only 15 days after my first monthly.
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Any chance you had an SBP debt?
 
CW15 said:
Thank you, I did receive another smaller amount in June $171. That makes sense now, I did have the VA offset pay during the retro months. Its been a lot faster than 30 months I was surprised it has been a short time.
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Wait, I thought you said it was supposed to go back to FEB 2018? Was that a miscalculation on your part (since you wasn't getting VA offset in those years), or was the 2018 correct, CRSC just paying bit by bit? bit by bit wouldn't be good.
 
CW15 said:
The retro pay statement is significantly smaller than I was thinking. I really wasn't expecting the retro pay only 15 days after my first monthly.
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One thing that wasn't specified: were you receiving CRDP (now called "CMRP") since you got out or were you a less than 20 years AFS retiree as a Ch 61?
 
RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
One thing that wasn't specified: were you receiving CRDP (now called "CMRP") since you got out or were you a less than 20 years AFS retiree as a Ch 61?
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I am not sure what CMRP is but the only pay I have been receiving since I was medically retired is the initial 40%. That 40% was DoD pay and VA pay and then last year I was re-evaluated and bumped up to 80%. When I was bumped up, I received only VA Pay. Im guess that had a something to do with the small amount of retro pay.
 
teey said:
Wait, I thought you said it was supposed to go back to FEB 2018? Was that a miscalculation on your part (since you wasn't getting VA offset in those years), or was the 2018 correct, CRSC just paying bit by bit? bit by bit wouldn't be good.
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My LES says Retro pay started FEB 2018 but i guessing since i got the 2 different types of pay up until last year so I'm guessing that is the reason for. But the math doesn't add up
 
Hello @CW15 ,

If you are not eligible for CRDP* (old term) and were not receiving CRSC, your pay situation would be:
a. All your VA compensation is paid if you agreed to waive retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received.
b. Your retired pay would be reduced by the amount of VA comp you receive. Any amount in excess of the VA offset is paid to you.

CRSC: One must be in a retired status and waive retired pay as described in the preceding paragraph.
One cannot receive CRSC if they did not waive retired pay as discussed in this post. The CRSC approval letter cites the effective dates and percentages.
Each CH 61 case involves these ceilings and other factors:

—Must be entitled to retired pay
—Agrees to waive retired pay in the amount of VA compensation received.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the waived retired pay.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the approved CRSC percentage (amt in VA Comp tables).
—CRSC cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay.
—CRSC when combined with residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity amount.

As one can see, more than one of the ceilings shown above could apply to the retiree. In those cases, the lesser amount is the CRSC amount.

Ron
 
CW15 said:
My LES says Retro pay started FEB 2018 but i guessing since i got the 2 different types of pay up until last year so I'm guessing that is the reason for. But the math doesn't add up
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Ahh, yeah, CRSC only compensates you for whatever amount the VA actually offsets, so if your rating was low in the first place it *might not be as much as one originally thought. CMRP is the new term for Concurrent Retirement/Disability Pay (CRDP), just someone at DFAS trying to justify their existence
 
CW15 said:
I am not sure what CMRP is but the only pay I have been receiving since I was medically retired is the initial 40%. That 40% was DoD pay and VA pay and then last year I was re-evaluated and bumped up to 80%. When I was bumped up, I received only VA Pay. Im guess that had a something to do with the small amount of retro pay.
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CMRP

Concurrent Military Retired Pay and VA Disability Compensation​


You are not eligible for CMRP-VA comp.

There is a general rule of law that a military retiree may not receive both Disability Compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA Disability Compensation) and military retired pay concurrently. Instead, a military retiree may waive his/her military retired pay, dollar for dollar, in order to receive VA Disability Compensation. This law is located at Title 38 United States Code (U.S.C.), sections 5304 and 5305.

The law provides a limited exception to this general rule. Under the limited exception, military retirees (other than those retired by the military under Chapter 61 for disability) who meet the eligibility criteria listed below are not subject to the general rule. There are special rules that apply to Chapter 61 Military Disability Retirees that can be found in Title 10 United States Code section 1414(b).

This limited exception has been often referred to as Concurrent Retirement and Disability Pay or CRDP. However, CRDP is not a term used in the law. It is simply meant to convey that some military retirees may have the right to concurrently receive their military retirement pay (including military disability retired pay) and VA Disability Compensation.

Ron
 
RonG said:
Hello @CW15 ,

If you are not eligible for CRDP* (old term) and were not receiving CRSC, your pay situation would be:
a. All your VA compensation is paid if you agreed to waive retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received.
b. Your retired pay would be reduced by the amount of VA comp you receive. Any amount in excess of the VA offset is paid to you.

CRSC: One must be in a retired status and waive retired pay as described in the preceding paragraph.
One cannot receive CRSC if they did not waive retired pay as discussed in this post. The CRSC approval letter cites the effective dates and percentages.
Each CH 61 case involves these ceilings and other factors:

—Must be entitled to retired pay
—Agrees to waive retired pay in the amount of VA compensation received.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the waived retired pay.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the approved CRSC percentage (amt in VA Comp tables).
—CRSC cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay.
—CRSC when combined with residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity amount.

As one can see, more than one of the ceilings shown above could apply to the retiree. In those cases, the lesser amount is the CRSC amount.

Ron
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It is all coming together for me now I did the math and its about 16 months of back pay which is about the amount of time since my 80% went into effect.
RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
Ahh, yeah, CRSC only compensates you for whatever amount the VA actually offsets, so if your rating was low in the first place it *might not be as much as one originally thought. CMRP is the new term for Concurrent Retirement/Disability Pay (CRDP), just someone at DFAS trying to justify their existence
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I love government justification.
 
CW15 said:
Thank you all for your help. I am happy I at least got something, and I can possibly help explain it to other Vets. I will also send them to this forum.
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It's what we do - @RonG is the man with the calculator, I'm the man with the process :)
 
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