CRSC CALCULATOR

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  1. DFAS RAS 2025
  2. 21 years and 6 months
  3. DoD Disability percentage Example: 60% DoD [not applicable]
  4. 90% 2098.62 spouse one child under 18
  5. 70% expected CRSC
  6. REDUX have 21.5 good years for retirement.
I’ll use what you furnished.

1. 21.5 years x 2.5% = 53.75% multiplier without REDUX reduction
2. Non-Disability retirees will have their percent multiplier reduced by:
  • 1 percent for each full year of creditable service less than 30, and
  • 1/12th of 1 percent for each full month of creditable service less than a full year.
3. 30 years minus 21 yrs 6 mo = 8 yrs 6 mo (conversion 8.5 yrs)
4. 53.75 multiplier minus 8.5 = 45.25% REDUX multiplier
5. Gross retired pay from RAS 2025 divided by 45.25 = 4475.14 high three average Base Pay
6. Gross retired pay 2025 reduced by 2098.62 VA compensation = zero residual retired pay
7. CRSC @ 70% = $1,609.71

CRSC = $1,609.71


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Thank you Ron, So by the sounds of this I need to keep CRDP instead of requesting CRDP.
 

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Thank you Rob, So by the sounds of this I need to request CRSC instead of CRDP.
The DFAS will automatically pay the highest...but you can change it.

CRDP is taxable.
CRSC is non taxable.

However, you should already receive CRDP which would restore the REDUX longevity retirement...which is all of it.
Look at page 2, RAS. It will show amount of CRDP that you are receiving.

Your CRSC would be the 1609.

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That will give you a rough estimate. You will receive COLA increases as they are approved. Conversely, the prior
years (retroactive) will have a lower rate than 515.99 because the rate would have less COLA applied.

Ron

Ended up getting 573.00 per month for my CRSC payment. First payment received June 1st. CRSC approved on 4/21/19. DFAS says audit is being done for retro pay back to 9-1-2013. My first three years I was on TDRl. Will this affect retro pay?
 

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Ended up getting 573.00 per month for my CRSC payment. First payment received June 1st. CRSC approved on 4/21/19. DFAS says audit is being done for retro pay back to 9-1-2013. My first three years I was on TDRl. Will this affect retro pay?
Although there is not a huge difference between 515 and 573, obviously some of the info was different than what was provided earlier. In any case...congrats.

Your retroactive CRSC will be the lesser of the
--dollar amount of the longevity portion of your retired pay
OR
--the CRSC amount for your combat related disabilities...amount found in the VA compensation tables.

(Likely the longevity portion).

An individual can receive CRSC while on the TDRL (and of course the PDRL).

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Thank you Ron. Yes, those are my numbers. I used your template from one of your earlier post and just didn't remove "example".
Thank you Ron. Yes, those are my numbers. I used your template from one of your earlier post and just didn't remove "example".
DJsPops,

If those are your numbers, your CRSC is 921.92

4298 x .70 = 3008.60 retired pay reduced by 3352 VA compensation
8.58 years AD x 0.025 = 21.45% multiplier
4298 x 0.2145 = 921.92 longevity portion of retirement pay
CRSC @ 80% is higher, but your ceiling is 921.92

Ron

Ron, Here's an update on my CRSC process. I just received my first statement and payment for CRSC and the amount I receivedfor CRSC only came out to $737, which is short of what I was expecting ($921.92). I just want to verify if anything was calculated wrong on DFAS' end. I've attaced a screenshot of the CRSC statement to provide you wth as much information as possible.
 

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DJsPops,

If those are your numbers, your CRSC is 921.92
4298 x .70 = 3008.60 retired pay reduced by 3352 VA compensation
8.58 years AD x 0.025 = 21.45% multiplier
4298 x 0.2145 = 921.92 longevity portion of retirement pay
CRSC @ 80% is higher, but your ceiling is 921.92

Ron
Hello DJsPops,

You reported that the DFAS computation was $737 (gross).

This the info you provided I based my computation on:
  1. High three average: $4298
  2. Precise number of active duty or active duty equivalent years and months. 8 years and 7 months
  3. DoD Disability percentage Example: 70% DoD
  4. VA percentage; the amount; and number of dependents by category 100%; $3352; spouse and 1 child under 18
  5. Approved CRSC 80%
  6. Indicate if any of the following apply: have 20 good years for reserve retirement OR received REDUX Example: have 20 good yearr reserve retirement.- NONE
COMMENTS:

I had your retired pay @ 3008.60 which is only 40 cents different from DFAS' 3009. The significance of this is that it is an indicator than the reported high three average base pay is accurate.

8 years 7 months is 8.583 years
8.583 x 2.5% = 21.45% longevity multiplier

H-3 4298 x 0.2145 = 921.92
This is what I reported as your CRSC.

Backing into DFAS' computation:
727 is the result of Y (years) x 2.5% x 4298
727/4298 = 16.914%
4298 x 16.914 = 726.963 (or 727)

0.16914/0.025 = 6.7656 years

6.7656 x 2.5% = 16.914% longevity percentage used by DFAS

Summary:


--My math in the estimate is accurate and used data provided by you.
--The difference between my computation and that of DFAS is the number of active duty years used = 8.583 (me) 6.7656 (DFAS)
--DFAS uses information provided by the Human Resources Command (if you are Army)

You will have to determine if DFAS made an error. If your AD years were 6.7656, then the DFAS computation is correct.
If the 8.583 AD years you gave me is accurate, then the DFAS computation is incorrect.

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I am a retired E7 DFAS had me as an E5 but I send the information to get it change to E7. I am received $800 for crsc is this correct. DFAS say it will be the same with E7.

1. 3671 for retired pay
2. 23yrs 9months 9days / 3694 Army National Guard retirement points history statement
3. Married
4. (1) Dep 19yrs old
5. 80% military Service Disability Percentage
6. 100% VA Percentage
7. 70% CRSC percentage
 

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I am a retired E7 DFAS had me as an E5 but I send the information to get it change to E7. I am received $800 for crsc is this correct. DFAS say it will be the same with E7.

1. 3671 for retired pay
2. 23yrs 9months 9days / 3694 Army National Guard retirement points history statement
3. Married
4. (1) Dep 19yrs old
5. 80% military Service Disability Percentage
6. 100% VA Percentage
7. 70% CRSC percentage
Is 3671 your retired pay gross or is that your high three?

What is you active duty equivalent? It should be near the bottom of your retirement orders. You can also take total points and divide by 360. Certain yearly limitations apply.

You CRSC is likely the dollar amount of the longevity portion of your retired pay.
AD equivalent years x 2.5% = multiplier....high three x multiplier = longevity portion
If DFAS had used the correct high three and the correct multiplier, then the CRSC would not change.
Ron
 

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ieskywalker,

I will take a stab at it without the clarification.

1. 3671/0.75 = 4894.67 high three
2. 3694 points/360 = 10.26 years AD
3. 10.26 x 0.025 = 25.65 multiplier
4. 4894.67 x 0.2565 = 1255.48 longevity portion of retired pay
5. VA compensation @ 100% = $3,352.41
6. 3671 minus 3352.41 = 318.59 residual retired pay
7. CRSC ceiling in your case is 1255.48 which is reduced by 318.59 residual retired pay = 936.89 CRSC
8. 70% approved CRSC is: $1,609.71 which is more than the ceiling of the longevity portion of retired pay

Based on your original figures: You should receive 318.59 residual retired pay + 936.89 CRSC = 1255.48

I was half way through this when your clarification arrived. The slightly different figure for AD makes little difference.

Ron
 
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You're welcome...please return when you get the DFAS results.

You said, "I am received $800 for crsc is this correct. DFAS say it will be the same with E7. " As you can see the high three is an important part of the formula for computing the longevity portion of retired pay. There is quite a difference between E5 and E7.

Taxes and other deductions were not considered, just gross amounts.

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Rather than posting it, have you tried uploading it in the RESOURCE tab of the website?
 

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Rather than posting it, have you tried uploading it in the RESOURCE tab of the website?
Hello,

I am unsure if you were addressing me, but if so, I posted the following in RESOURCE a month or so ago: A Guide to Computing Combat Related Special Compensation (CRSC) for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees <----LINK to selected info pertaining to the computation of CRSC

Not every scenario of the myriad possibilities is covered and admittedly, little about determining active duty equivalent for reservists is included.

On the other hand, notwithstanding numerous posts regarding what is necessary for an accurate CRSC estimate (some directed at the retiree asking the question), I estimate 25% leave something out. I have no clue as to the reason. Some of those estimates which should take 5-10 minutes have "evolved' to an hour-long project or more.

Your recommendation is excellent as was your CRSC info sheet addition last year. Unfortunately, the amount of CRSC for a Chapter 61 retiree is not a simple matter of looking at a chart and pulling out an amount.

Thank you,
Ron
 

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@chaplaincharlie
I apologize for misunderstanding...

Alles ist gute.

Ron
New Braunfels, Texas
(My son is in Germany with his wife as I write this. He was in Braunfels, Germany earlier today.)
 

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Hello DJsPops,

You reported that the DFAS computation was $737 (gross).

This the info you provided I based my computation on:
  1. High three average: $4298
  2. Precise number of active duty or active duty equivalent years and months. 8 years and 7 months
  3. DoD Disability percentage Example: 70% DoD
  4. VA percentage; the amount; and number of dependents by category 100%; $3352; spouse and 1 child under 18
  5. Approved CRSC 80%
  6. Indicate if any of the following apply: have 20 good years for reserve retirement OR received REDUX Example: have 20 good yearr reserve retirement.- NONE
COMMENTS:

I had your retired pay @ 3008.60 which is only 40 cents different from DFAS' 3009. The significance of this is that it is an indicator than the reported high three average base pay is accurate.

8 years 7 months is 8.583 years
8.583 x 2.5% = 21.45% longevity multiplier

H-3 4298 x 0.2145 = 921.92
This is what I reported as your CRSC.

Backing into DFAS' computation:
727 is the result of Y (years) x 2.5% x 4298
727/4298 = 16.914%
4298 x 16.914 = 726.963 (or 727)

0.16914/0.025 = 6.7656 years

6.7656 x 2.5% = 16.914% longevity percentage used by DFAS

Summary:


--My math in the estimate is accurate and used data provided by you.
--The difference between my computation and that of DFAS is the number of active duty years used = 8.583 (me) 6.7656 (DFAS)
--DFAS uses information provided by the Human Resources Command (if you are Army)

You will have to determine if DFAS made an error. If your AD years were 6.7656, then the DFAS computation is correct.
If the 8.583 AD years you gave me is accurate, then the DFAS computation is incorrect.

Ron
Ron, Thanks for the breakdown. This is an error on behalf of DFAS. I have a total of 8 years 10 months and 7 days in total service. I think they made an error and only calculated my enlisted time towards my CRSC calculation, which was 6 years. The rest of my time was as a commissioned officer. Please reference this attachment that show my service periods. Also, what course of action do you recommend I take in order to get this issue corrected?
 

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Ron, Thanks for the breakdown. This is an error on behalf of DFAS. I have a total of 8 years 10 months and 7 days in total service. I think they made an error and only calculated my enlisted time towards my CRSC calculation, which was 6 years. The rest of my time was as a commissioned officer. Please reference this attachment that show my service periods. Also, what course of action do you recommend I take in order to get this issue corrected?
Hello DJsPops,

Recommend you request an audit of your pay by DFAS. Your letter should include evidence and a clear explanation of why you feel DFAS' computation is wrong.
Please note that the quotation above shows, "8 years 10 months and 7 days in total service." Earlier, you reported, "8 years and 7 months" and that is what I used in the computation.

Defense Finance and Accounting Service
U.S. Military Retired Pay, Attn: Roland Wadge
8899 E 56th Street
Indianapolis IN 46249-1200

Fax
Retired Pay: 800-469-6559

Roland Wadge was the director of retired pay the last time I had contact with DFAS.

In determining the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay, active duty or active duty equivalent (reserves) is used.
Reservists:
Years of Service for Retired Pay Percentage Multiple. YOS for retirement percentage multiple determines the years of service for computing the retired pay multiplier. This category of years of service includes all periods of active service (counted as one point for each day) plus all points earned through qualifying reserve duty, not exceeding annual limits, divided by 360.

I did look at your attachments, but the statement of service did not show your active duty equivalent. Here is an example, using a regular retirement (mine):
25 years service for base pay
22 years 9 months (of the 25) was active duty.
22.75 x 2.5% = 56.88% multiplier

If you plan to use my computation in your letter, I would like the opportunity to adjust it IF your active duty equivalent is different from what you initially reported. Of course, you can make your case without that computation.

This info might be helpful:

DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 63 * October 2017

630805.
CRSC Payment Reduction for 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61 Disability Retirees

2. Members retired for disability under 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61, with less than 20 years of creditable service computed under 10 U.S.C. § 1208, and who are qualified for CRSC, on or after January 1, 2013, will have the maximum CRSC payment restrictions. The CRSC payment amount, which when combined with any remaining retired pay after VA offset, will not exceed the amount that is equal to 2½ percent of the member’s years of creditable service multiplied by the member’s retired pay base under 10 U.S.C. § 1406(b)(1) or 10 U.S.C. § 1407, whichever is applicable to the member.

NOTE: A retired reserve member, retired under the provisions of 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61, is entitled to CRSC. The gross amount of CRSC determined under paragraph 630801 will be adjusted as required under paragraph 630802. For Reserve Component members with less than 20 years of service as determined under 10 U.S.C. § 12733, the CRSC amount when combined with the amount of retired pay payable to the retiree after reduction for the full VA disability compensation, if any, may not exceed the disability retired pay amount that is equal to 2½ percent times the years of creditable service determined under 10 U.S.C. § 12733 multiplied by the member's applicable retired pay base. For Reserve Component members with 20 or more years of service as determined under 10 U.S.C. § 12733, the CRSC amount when combined with the amount of retired pay payable to the retiree after reduction for the full VA disability compensation, if any, may not exceed the disability retired pay to which the member would be entitled if the member were 60 years old.

Ron
 
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