How do I calculate my CRSC

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pineapplehead

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Hello,

I am away from home so this will be short.
The hostile fire example was merely to show non-entitlement.

With regard to CRSC being discussed differently in various forums...that is common.

I have worked CRSC issues for more than 10 years and received it since 2005.

There is uneqivocally zero entitlement to CRSC unless one is entitled to retired pay.

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Ron
Thank you for your service Ron. You are a wealth of information and a godsend to this community!
 

RonG

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Thank you for your service Ron. You are a wealth of information and a godsend to this community!
Thank you pineapplehead (I like that name/title almost as much as our own "@oddpedestrian.")

I am home for an hour and able to use a "real computer."

I respect your research and diligence. Although I am 74, I am not too old to learn something new.

Here is the Financial Management Regulation that governs CRSC at CH 63:

VOLUME 7B, CHAPTER 63: “COMBAT-RELATED SPECIAL COMPENSATION (CRSC)” ----LINK

Good luck in your endeavor...

Ron
Edited to add 24 May 2019: A summary of this case is at post 260 of this thread.
 

Allegrett1

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Can anyone out there help me with a calculator so I could try to figure out my CRSC I got my letter saying it was approved

I retired as an MSgr with 26 years I have a 50%disabilty from the do’s 100% from the VA and 60% from CRSC if someone could help me with the calculations I would greatly appreciate it
 

RonG

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Hello

Please provide the following and i will look at it later when i return home;

1. The gross retired pay on your DFAS RAS 0R high 3...indicate which is furnished
2. Your DoD retired percentage
3, Your active duty years and months
4. VA percentage, amount, and number of dependents by category
5. Your approved CRSC percentage
6. Other type retirement you qualified for

Sorry...this reply via phone.

Ron
 

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Hello Allegrett1,

I received the following info via message:
Gross retirement. 3316.00
DOD retirement % 50
Service for basic pay 26 years 2 months
Active duty for retirement 13 years 6 months
VA % 100
No dependents
CRSC %. 60

1. Gross retirement divided by DoD percentage 3316/0.50 = 6632 high three

2. Gross retirement reduced by VA amount (not provided) 3316 - 3,057.13 = 258.87 residual retired pay
3. 13.5 years x 2.5% = 33.75 multiplier
4. High three 6632 x 0.3375 = 2238.30
5. CRSC @ 60% = 1,113.86
6. Item 5 is less than item 4 = 1113.86 CRSC

DFAS will pay:
258.87 residual retired pay
+
1113.86 CRSC =
1372.23 from DFAS

Ron
Added: you qualify for CRDP @ age 60
 

Allegrett1

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Hello Allegrett1,

I received the following info via message:
Gross retirement. 3316.00
DOD retirement % 50
Service for basic pay 26 years 2 months
Active duty for retirement 13 years 6 months
VA % 100
No dependents
CRSC %. 60

1. Gross retirement divided by DoD percentage 3316/0.50 = 6632 high three

2. Gross retirement reduced by VA amount (not provided) 3316 - 3,057.13 = 258.87 residual retired pay
3. 13.5 years x 2.5% = 33.75 multiplier
4. High three 6632 x 0.3375 = 2238.30
5. CRSC @ 60% = 1,113.86
6. Item 5 is less than item 4 = 1113.86 CRSC

DFAS will pay:
258.87 residual retired pay
+
1113.86 CRSC =
1372.23 from DFAS

Ron
Added: you qualify for CRDP @ age 60
My va gross is 3057.15

Hope that doesn’t change it to much

Thank you for your help
 

RonG

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My va gross is 3057.15

Hope that doesn’t change it to much

Thank you for your help
According to the VA compensation tables, 100% without dependents is 3,057.13 and that is what I used since an amount was not provided earlier. However...2 cents has negligible impact.

Take care,
Ron
 

Allegrett1

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According to the VA compensation tables, 100% without dependents is 3,057.13 and that is what I used since an amount was not provided earlier. However...2 cents has negligible impact.

Take care,
Ron
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RonG

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Thank you...

Like you, I appreciate all members of the military...past and present.

It was an honor to serve our great country.

It was good working with you.

Ron
 

mrlezo

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Ron G
I got this statement
your retired pay has been waived because your va award of $3,825.75 is more than your retired pay.
 

RonG

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I was speaking of the separate CRSC statement.

My reply was to your earlier post.

Ron
 

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Selected CRSC Information

Ref: DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 63
LINK to reference <——

6301 GENERAL
630101. Purpose
CRSC provides special compensation to members of the Uniformed Services who have retired pay reduced because of receiving U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) disability compensation where a portion of such VA disability compensation is the result of disabilities that are combat-related as determined by the Military Department.

630402. Retired Status
A member must be in a retired status (i.e., on the retired rolls), or have been transferred to the Fleet Reserve or Fleet Marine Corps Reserve. A member who is recalled to, or retained on, active duty is not in a retired status and therefore is not entitled to CRSC for such period of active duty.

630403. Entitled to Retired Pay
A. A member must be entitled to retired pay, notwithstanding that such retired pay may be reduced due to receipt of VA disability compensation. A reservist who has not reached the requisite age to receive retired pay (generally age 60) is not eligible to receive CRSC payments. See Chapter 1, subparagraph 010208.F, for when the eligibility age of a reservist will be reduced below 60 years of age and become eligible for retired pay.

B. A member who waives retired pay in order to credit military service for the purposes of establishing eligibility for a civil service retirement, or for any reason other than to receive disability compensation from the VA, is not eligible to receive CRSC payments. A member who combines his military time with his civil service time for the sole purpose of enhancing his civil service retirement may be eligible for CRSC, if the member is still eligible to receive military retired pay. Members should consult the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) and Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) Handbook for Personnel and Payroll Offices for further information on eligibility.

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DFAS
Understanding the VA Waiver and Retired Pay/CRDP/CRSC Adjustments

LINK to webpage <——


Ron
 

mrlezo

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I was speaking of the separate CRSC statement.

My reply was to your earlier post.

Ron
what do this mean. I still get my crsc @100
your retired pay has been waived because your va award of $3,825.75 is more than your retired pay
 

RonG

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what do this mean. I still get my crsc @100
your retired pay has been waived because your va award of $3,825.75 is more than your retired pay
It indicates that whatever the amount of your retired pay, it has been reduced by $3825.75. If that amount is more than your retired pay, it simply means all of it is waived.

Yes, you still receive your CRSC, although if you are a CH 61 retiree, it is unlikely all your waived retired pay will be replaced by CRSC.

Ron
 

mrlezo

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Selected CRSC Information

Ref: DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 63
LINK to reference <——

6301 GENERAL
630101. Purpose
CRSC provides special compensation to members of the Uniformed Services who have retired pay reduced because of receiving U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) disability compensation where a portion of such VA disability compensation is the result of disabilities that are combat-related as determined by the Military Department.

630402. Retired Status
A member must be in a retired status (i.e., on the retired rolls), or have been transferred to the Fleet Reserve or Fleet Marine Corps Reserve. A member who is recalled to, or retained on, active duty is not in a retired status and therefore is not entitled to CRSC for such period of active duty.

630403. Entitled to Retired Pay
A. A member must be entitled to retired pay, notwithstanding that such retired pay may be reduced due to receipt of VA disability compensation. A reservist who has not reached the requisite age to receive retired pay (generally age 60) is not eligible to receive CRSC payments. See Chapter 1, subparagraph 010208.F, for when the eligibility age of a reservist will be reduced below 60 years of age and become eligible for retired pay.

B. A member who waives retired pay in order to credit military service for the purposes of establishing eligibility for a civil service retirement, or for any reason other than to receive disability compensation from the VA, is not eligible to receive CRSC payments. A member who combines his military time with his civil service time for the sole purpose of enhancing his civil service retirement may be eligible for CRSC, if the member is still eligible to receive military retired pay. Members should consult the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) and Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) Handbook for Personnel and Payroll Offices for further information on eligibility.

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DFAS
Understanding the VA Waiver and Retired Pay/CRDP/CRSC Adjustments

LINK to webpage <——


Ron
It indicates that whatever the amount of your retired pay, it has been reduced by $3825.75. If that amount is more than your retired pay, it simply means all of it is waived.

Yes, you still receive your CRSC, although if you are a CH 61 retiree, it is unlikely all your waived retired pay will be replaced by CRSC.

Ron
Im AD all the way.. Thank you. do my understand im stilling getting 1551 my retirement without tax.. You was right the amount is larger than my retirement pay. this CRSC is new and hard to figure out.
 

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Im AD all the way.. Thank you. do my understand im stilling getting 1551 my retirement without tax.. You was right the amount is larger than my retirement pay. this CRSC is new and hard to figure out.
Like you, I have a regular retirement and 100% CRSC. You should receive 1551 nontaxable CRSC based on the info you provided.

Ron
 

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@pineapplehead

Hello,

After much thought on this case, I have come to the following conclusions and cite only gross pay(s).

1. You previously said, "After 2 hours on the phone with DFAS I finally got my questions answered.2148 is my High 3 as a W2 pay grade with "over 8 years", OR 3570 points, and IT DOES include locality. As far as the CRSC is calculated according to DFAS, Ron, you were correct.
60% CRSC is $1290.86 per month with a spouse and 1 child under 18 years of age. Then, I opted for the Survivor Benefit Plan which costs me $139.65.
1290.86 - 139.65= $1151.21"

Comment: Locality Pay does not pertain to base pay or retired pay.

Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH) provides uniformed service members with permanent duty within the United States housing compensation based on housing costs in local civilian housing markets. BAH is based on geographic duty location, pay grade, and dependency status. It is payable when government quarters are not provided.

2. I am surprised that DFAS reportedly told you that 2148 is your high three because it is not. The high-36 method is the average of the highest 36 months of basic pay divided by 36. This is generally the last 3 years of service and is sometimes called high-3. The rate of of 2148 as high three would be applicable to possibly pay grade E-5.
Knowing the high three is important in computing the retired pay and CRSC. If a CH 61 retiree does not know their high three, the gross retired pay on the most recent DFAS RAS can be divided by the higher of the LOS multiplier or the DoD disability multiplier to determine the current high three with interim COLA increases applied. Your RAS showed 2148 gross.
The gross 2148 divided by 40% (disability percentage) 2148/0.40 = 5370 high three...this is in line with the rate for a W-2 over 20 in the pay chart. The 5370 would be an average. (see paragraph 3)

3. Base pay for AD and reservists/NG: The rate used in the computation for one month of pay (example) is current rate of pay for rank @number of years creditable for base pay (example 20 yrs for pay) x 1 = one month base pay. The active duty time or division by 360 is not used for determining the correct rate of pay. You mentioned you had a 20 year letter I believe (there are many posts covering this topic). A W-2's rate of pay over 20 years for pay was 5568 effective 1 January 2018. Active duty time is used for determining the multiplier for retired pay and CRSC. The years of creditable service for computation of the retired pay percentage multiplier include all active duty and all credited reserve points divided by 360.
The multiplier for disability retired pay is either:
  • 2.5 percent for each year of service, or

  • disability percentage assigned by the service at the time you retire
Either way, the multiplier is limited to 75 percent by law. If you are on the Temporary Disability Retired List, the minimum multiplier is 50 percent while on the TDRL.

4. The CRSC would be the lesser of the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay OR the approved CRSC percentage which mirrors the rates in the VA compensation tables.

5. Selected CRSC information has been added at post 253, this thread.

Ron
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1966-1991
 
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