How do I calculate my CRSC

RayF

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High Ron. Wondering if you can help. I just signed my PEB papers today and I'm wondering about the CRSC and CRDP and which would be a better option if they are even possible?

CW2 16 years all Guard, AD time totals 4.8 yrs.
VA rated 60%
Army only accepted 50% (Combat related)
Army is classifying separation as permanent.
Estimated Army Pay $2622.30 offset from VA

CRSC paperwork is being sent to me, so I have not filled it out yet. From what I'm reading I don't think I will even qualify for CRDP?
 

RonG

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Based on info you provided you do not qualify for CRDP.

CRSC Estimate

The information associated with all of the five numbered items below is needed. Incomplete answers will preclude an accurate estimate. Each numbered item below is a factor in the CRSC calculation.

1. High three base pay average for retirement or your current DoD disability retirement gross found on page one of the DFAS RAS. Please indicate whether you are providing the high three average or the retirement gross found on the DFAS RAS. The high-36 method is the average of the highest 36 months of basic pay divided by 36. This is generally the last 3 years of service and is sometimes called high-3. EXAMPLE: High three average $3333 (or alternative: Gross Retired Pay on DFAS RAS $xxxx.xx)

2. DoD disability retirement percentage. EXAMPLE: 50% DoD

3. Years and months of active duty EXAMPLE: 11 years and 3 months
Note: The creditable years of service (active duty equivalent) for a reserve calculation is determined by the sum of accumulated reserve points divided by 360.

4. VA compensation percentage and amount plus identify dependents by category and number EXAMPLE: 60% VA Compensation, $1600, Spouse and 6 children under 18

5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage (application was required). EXAMPLE: 70% CRSC

Provide ALL the info above and a computation will be provided.

Ron
 

RayF

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1. High three base pay average for retirement or your current DoD disability retirement gross found on page one of the DFAS RAS. Please indicate whether you are providing the high three average or the retirement gross found on the DFAS RAS. The high-36 method is the average of the highest 36 months of basic pay divided by 36. This is generally the last 3 years of service and is sometimes called high-3. EXAMPLE: High three average $3333 (or alternative: Gross Retired Pay on DFAS RAS $xxxx.xx)

H3= $5,244.60

2. DoD disability retirement percentage. EXAMPLE: 50% DoD

50% DOD

3. Years and months of active duty EXAMPLE: 11 years and 3 months
Note: The creditable years of service (active duty equivalent) for a reserve calculation is determined by the sum of accumulated reserve points divided by 360.

AD 4.8

4. VA compensation percentage and amount plus identify dependents by category and number EXAMPLE: 60% VA Compensation, $1600, Spouse and 6 children under 18

60% VA Compensation, $1,304.52, Spouse and 2 kids under 18

5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage (application was required). EXAMPLE: 70% CRSC

Expected 50% Combat related disability %.
 

RonG

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Info provided:

1. H3= $5,244.60

2. DoD disability retirement percentage. EXAMPLE: 50% DoD

50% DOD.

3. Years and months of active duty EXAMPLE: 11 years and 3 months
Note: The creditable years of service (active duty equivalent) for a reserve calculation is determined by the sum of accumulated reserve points divided by 360.

AD 4.8

4. VA compensation percentage and amount plus identify dependents by category and number EXAMPLE: 60% VA Compensation, $1600, Spouse and 6 children under 18

60% VA Compensation, $1,304.52, Spouse and 2 kids under 18

5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage (application was required). EXAMPLE: 70% CRSC

Expected 50% Combat related disability %.
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Estimate.

a. H-3 5244.60 x 50% DoD = 2622.30 Ret Pay
b. Retired pay 2622.30 minus 1304.52 60% VA comp = 1317.70 residual retired pay which will reduce CRSC amount
c. 4.666 yrs AD x 2.5% multiplier = 11.67 multiplier
d. 5244.60 x 11.67 = 612.04 longevity portion of retired pay which is much less than 50% CRSC rate which is >$1000
e. 612.04 CRSC minus 1317.70 residual retired pay = Zero CRSC payable

Special Rules for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees: According to law, members retired for disability under Chapter 61 of title 10 United States Code must have the CRSC entitlement limited to an amount that when combined with any military retired pay remaining after offset for VA disability compensation will not exceed the retired pay they would otherwise be entitled to for retirement computed for years of service (i.e., 2 1/2 percent x years of service x pay base).

Ron
 

RonG

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CRSC for CH 61 retirees with less than 20 years AD

It is the lesser of the dollar amount of longevity portion of retirement pay
OR
CRSC rate/percentage approved by the service

reduced by any residual retired pay

Ron
 

Red Leader

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Ron
I am ch 61 ret recent PDBR
14.7 years ARNG
4.7 years AD equivalent
RET 1LT
4460 high 3
40% Army
50% VA 1 spouse 2 defendants
30% CRSC

DFAS calculators shows I will not receive CRSC compensation
However if my VA increases to 80% it shows I will receive some compensation

Why?

I have been working your calculations .. Am I missing something?
 

RonG

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Ron
I am ch 61 ret recent PDBR
14.7 years ARNG
4.7 years AD equivalent
RET 1LT
4460 high 3
40% Army
50% VA 1 spouse 2 defendants
30% CRSC
DFAS calculators shows I will not receive CRSC compensation
However if my VA increases to 80% it shows I will receive some compensation
  1. 4460 x 40% Army = 1784 retired pay
  2. 50% VA with spouse and 2 "defendants" under 18 = $1,026.36 + 42 = 1068.36
  3. 1784 minus 1068.36 VA offset = 715.64 residual retired pay (which reduces CRSC payable)
  4. CRSC @ 30% spouse and 2 children under 18 = $516.83 + 25 = 541.83
  5. 4.583 years (4 years 7 months) x 2.5% = 11.46% multiplier
  6. 4460 x 11.46 = 511.11 dollar amount of longevity portion of retired pay
  7. Item 6 is less than item 4 = 511.11 CRSC which is reduced by 715.64 residual retired pay = zero CRSC
Note: "...if my VA increases to 80% it shows I will receive some compensation [CRSC]" That is because the 80% would increase the offset which results in a reduction of residual retired pay.

Special Rules for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees: According to law, members retired for disability under Chapter 61 of title 10 United States Code must have the CRSC entitlement limited to an amount that when combined with any military retired pay remaining after offset for VA disability compensation will not exceed the retired pay they would otherwise be entitled to for retirement computed for years of service (i.e., 2 1/2 percent x years of service x pay base).

Ron

added: New VA Comp tables were used.
 

Red Leader

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  1. 4460 x 40% Army = 1784 retired pay
  2. 50% VA with spouse and 2 "defendants" under 18 = $1,026.36 + 42 = 1068.36
  3. 1784 minus 1068.36 VA offset = 715.64 residual retired pay (which reduces CRSC payable)
  4. CRSC @ 30% spouse and 2 children under 18 = $516.83 + 25 = 541.83
  5. 4.583 years (4 years 7 months) x 2.5% = 11.46% multiplier
  6. 4460 x 11.46 = 511.11 dollar amount of longevity portion of retired pay
  7. Item 6 is less than item 4 = 511.11 CRSC which is reduced by 715.64 residual retired pay = zero CRSC
Note: "...if my VA increases to 80% it shows I will receive some compensation [CRSC]" That is because the 80% would increase the offset which results in a reduction of residual retired pay.

Special Rules for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees: According to law, members retired for disability under Chapter 61 of title 10 United States Code must have the CRSC entitlement limited to an amount that when combined with any military retired pay remaining after offset for VA disability compensation will not exceed the retired pay they would otherwise be entitled to for retirement computed for years of service (i.e., 2 1/2 percent x years of service x pay base).

Ron

added: New VA Comp tables were used.
OK- Got it so the Less Retired Army DOD pay and the more VA pay the better chance the CRSC will kick in....hmmm oh well back to the Battle Boards we fought wars now we fight for our Benefits.

(I love my country and ARMY, they did eventually make things right with me and vindicated my service. by retiring me. Like many Ch. 61 retirees I had great ideals of grandeur but one horrible day on the riffle range changed everything.)


Thank you Ron for all that you do for us. I can tell that you were an asset to your Unit "Still Helping Troops"


P.S. Do you know of any grass roots organizations that may be able to help Lobby Congress to help ch 61 retires like myself who fall into this CRSC no pay category?
 

RonG

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There have been several bills presented in Congress to change the CH 61 situation...they all died on the vine. They are easily found through Google searches.
Note: Part of the difference for CH 61 retirees is that CRSC does not replace the DoD disability retired pay that was waived. It is limited to the dollar amount of the longevity portion and reduced by the residual retired pay that remains after waiver. My regular retirement CRSC cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity as well. Of course all of it is longevity.

Thank you for the kind remarks. I had several units during my 20+ years in the Army, including one in Vietnam and six during my five tours in Germany.
All of them were finance units. They have been replaced for the most part by DFAS, which began the year I retired.

Regards,
Ron
 

SSG Horin

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Is the DFAS CRSC Calculator fairly accurate for Chapter 61 Retirees? I was just approved for 60% CRSC on 16JUN18. DFAS said I should get my first check on 01AUG18 but I have no clue what to expect. High 3 of $3,675.70, 16years-4months-13days active (0.4083%), 100% Army and 100% VA. Married with 2 kids under 18. The Calculator states CRSC Entitlement of $1,275.09.View attachment 2909
Is anyone still on here? I just recently retired last June medically as E-6.
I have 15.4 years AD 18 years total w guard time. I have 2 minor dependents and I’m receiving 100% va disability roughly $3500 a month. I just received CRSC award letter of 100% CRSC. How do I calculate what my CRSC will be in addition to my 100% va disability roughly?
 

RonG

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Is anyone still on here? I just recently retired last June medically as E-6.
I have 15.4 years AD 18 years total w guard time. I have 2 minor dependents and I’m receiving 100% va disability roughly $3500 a month. I just received CRSC award letter of 100% CRSC. How do I calculate what my CRSC will be in addition to my 100% va disability roughly?
Precise info is needed to offer an accurate computation; please furnish it in one post. If one is just guessing at the info, this process has no value.

See the following for info needed. I would be happy to provide an estimate.

The information associated with all of the five numbered items below is needed. Incomplete answers will preclude an accurate estimate. Each numbered item below is a factor in the CRSC calculation.

1. High three base pay average for retirement or your current DoD disability retirement gross found on page one of the DFAS RAS. Please indicate whether you are providing the high three average or the retirement gross found on the DFAS RAS. The high-36 method is the average of the highest 36 months of basic pay divided by 36. This is generally the last 3 years of service and is sometimes called high-3. EXAMPLE: High three average $3333 (or alternative: Gross Retired Pay on DFAS RAS $xxxx.xx)

2. DoD disability retirement percentage. EXAMPLE: 50% DoD (this is absolutely necessary)

3. Years and months of active duty EXAMPLE: 11 years and 3 months
Note: The creditable years of service (active duty equivalent) for a reserve calculation is determined by the sum of accumulated reserve points divided by 360.

4. VA compensation percentage and amount plus identify dependents by category and number EXAMPLE: 60% VA Compensation, $1600, Spouse and 6 children under 18

5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage (application was required). EXAMPLE: 70% CRSC

Please provide ALL the info above and a computation will be provided.
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An Example of a Perfect Reply:

1. Gross retired pay shown on DFAS = $3650.00

2. DOD Disability Retirement Percentage= 100% which would be 75%

3. Active duty or active duty equivalent, Reserve Calculation= 2 years 00 months 21 days

4. VA rating= 100% $3620.00 Veteran and 2 children under 18

5. Approved CRSC 100%

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Ron
 

usma95

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I need help, too, please.

18.5 years active duty
H3 = $8557
80% DoD Disability Rating
100% VA Disability Rating
90% CRSC Rating
2 children, no spouse

Gross Retirement Pay $6432
VA Waiver $3272

Thank you.
 

RonG

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I need help, too, please.
18.5 years active duty
H3 = $8557
80% DoD Disability Rating
100% VA Disability Rating
90% CRSC Rating
2 children, no spouse
Gross Retirement Pay $6432
VA Waiver $3272
Using your figures:

  1. 18.5 (18 yrs 6 mo) x 2.5% = 46.25 % multiplier
  2. 8557 x 0.4625 = 3957.61 dollar amount of longevity portion of retired pat
  3. Gross retired pay 6432 minus 3272 VA offset = 3160 residual retired pay
  4. CRSC @ 90%, 2 children under 18 = $1,935.62 + 76 = 2011.62
  5. Item 4, 2011.62 is less than item 2, 3967.61 so the maximum CRSC rate is 2011.62
Ref:
DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 63

630805. CRSC Payment Reduction for 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61 Disability Retirees

The adjusted monthly amount specified in paragraph 630802 will be reduced according to the provisions of subparagraph 630805.A or 630805.B, whichever is applicable.
B. Reductions for periods on or after January 1, 2013.

2. Members retired for disability under 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61, with less than 20 years of creditable service computed under 10 U.S.C. § 1208, and who are qualified for CRSC, on or after January 1, 2013, will have the maximum CRSC payment restrictions. The CRSC payment amount, which when combined with any remaining retired pay after VA offset, will not exceed the amount that is equal to 2½ percent of the member’s years of creditable service multiplied by the member’s retired pay base under 10 U.S.C. § 1406(b)(1) or 10 U.S.C. § 1407, whichever is applicable to the member.
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CRSC is also limited to the amount of actual retired pay waived.

Using this: "The CRSC payment amount, which when combined with any remaining retired pay after VA offset, will not exceed the amount that is equal to 2½ percent of the member’s years of creditable service multiplied by the member’s retired pay base …" would result in 3957 longevity minus 3160 residual ret pay = ~797 available for CRSC.

This results in: 3272 VA + 3160 residual ret pay + 797 CRSC each month.

Please return when you receive your first CRSC statement and let us know how this plays out. It will be helpful to others in the future.

Ron [edited 25 Jan 19]
 

usma95

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Using your figures:
  1. 18.5 (18 yrs 6 mo) x 2.5% = 46.25 % multiplier
  2. 8557 x 0.4625 = 3957.61 dollar amount of longevity portion of retired pat
  3. Gross retired pay 6432 minus 3272 VA offset = 3160 residual retired pay
  4. CRSC @ 90%, 2 children under 18 = $1,935.62 + 76 = 2011.62
  5. Item 4, 2011.62 is less than item 2, 3967.61 so the maximum CRSC rate is 2011.62
Ref:
DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 63

630805. CRSC Payment Reduction for 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61 Disability Retirees

The adjusted monthly amount specified in paragraph 630802 will be reduced according to the provisions of subparagraph 630805.A or 630805.B, whichever is applicable.
B. Reductions for periods on or after January 1, 2013.

2. Members retired for disability under 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61, with less than 20 years of creditable service computed under 10 U.S.C. § 1208, and who are qualified for CRSC, on or after January 1, 2013, will have the maximum CRSC payment restrictions. The CRSC payment amount, which when combined with any remaining retired pay after VA offset, will not exceed the amount that is equal to 2½ percent of the member’s years of creditable service multiplied by the member’s retired pay base under 10 U.S.C. § 1406(b)(1) or 10 U.S.C. § 1407, whichever is applicable to the member.
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CRSC is also limited to the amount of actual retired pay waived.

Using this: "The CRSC payment amount, which when combined with any remaining retired pay after VA offset, will not exceed the amount that is equal to 2½ percent of the member’s years of creditable service multiplied by the member’s retired pay base …" would result in 3957 longevity minus 3160 residual ret pay = ~797 available for CRSC.

This results in: 3272 VA + 3160 residual ret pay + 797 CRSC each month.

Please return when you receive your first CRSC statement and let us know how this plays out. It will be helpful to others in the future.
Ron edited 25 Jan 19
Ron,

I received your private message--but you stated a different result within your private message than you posed herein.

The CRSC calculator by DFAS does not report / predict "zero CRSC payable." What's the ground truth?

Thank you,
PJ
 

RonG

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The DFAS calculator has not been updated with new VA Rates should since 2014.

Your case is somewhat unusual partially because of the large amount of residual retired pay.

I believe the following fits your situation:
Ref:
DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 63

630805. CRSC Payment Reduction for 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61 Disability Retirees

The adjusted monthly amount specified in paragraph 630802 will be reduced according to the provisions of subparagraph 630805.A or 630805.B, whichever is applicable.
B. Reductions for periods on or after January 1, 2013.

2. Members retired for disability under 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61, with less than 20 years of creditable service computed under 10 U.S.C. § 1208, and who are qualified for CRSC, on or after January 1, 2013, will have the maximum CRSC payment restrictions. The CRSC payment amount, which when combined with any remaining retired pay after VA offset, will not exceed the amount that is equal to 2½ percent of the member’s years of creditable service multiplied by the member’s retired pay base under 10 U.S.C. § 1406(b)(1) or 10 U.S.C. § 1407, whichever is applicable to the member.
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CRSC is also limited to the amount of actual retired pay waived.

Using this: "The CRSC payment amount, which when combined with any remaining retired pay after VA offset, will not exceed the amount that is equal to 2½ percent of the member’s years of creditable service multiplied by the member’s retired pay base …" would result in 3957 longevity minus 3160 residual ret pay = ~797 available for CRSC.

This results in: 3272 VA + 3160 residual ret pay + 797 CRSC each month.

Please return when you receive your first CRSC statement and let us know how this plays out. It will be helpful to others in the future.

Ron
Note: I edited my initial reply to show the same info as what is presented here.
 

navyguy_1993

Registered Member
Hi Ron,

Round 1: It was determined to be a zero CRSC benefit situation for me. Reason being is that my VA Rate Sheet states “Gulf War Incurred” under my permanent nerve damage and permanent physiological impairment rather than “Undiagnosed Illness.”

With a 160% VA rating, all my Gulf War illnesses have never been diagnosed definitively other than to suggest I have Gulf War Syndrome. I now have the DAV, my Congressman, my Senator all looking into my CRSC case. Thus far, I am led to believe that it all comes down to two words not declared on my VA rating Sheet which are “Undiagnosed Illness” written into each my VA ratings.

Any words of advice on where to go from here would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

John
 

RonG

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Navy CRSC

CRSC Reconsiderations for the Navy are discussed at the following site: Council of Review Boards (CORB) <—-LINK

I have some expertise in computing CRSC; however, I have zero expertise in the processes of the multiple CRSC boards.

You might consider reviewing the VA manual for ratings of disabilities,
M21-1 Adjudication Procedures Manual

It is a guide for those who are involved with the process.

M21-1 https://www.knowva.ebenefits.va.gov/system/templates/selfservice/va_ssnew/help/customer/locale/en-US/portal/554400000001018/topic/554400000004049/M21-1-Adjudication-Procedures-Manual <—-LINK

Good luck,
Ron
 

navyguy_1993

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Navy CRSC

CRSC Reconsiderations for the Navy are discussed at the following site: Council of Review Boards (CORB) <—-LINK

I have some expertise in computing CRSC; however, I have zero expertise in the processes of the multiple CRSC boards.

You might consider reviewing the VA manual for ratings of disabilities,
M21-1 Adjudication Procedures Manual

It is a guide for those who are involved with the process.

M21-1 https://www.knowva.ebenefits.va.gov/system/templates/selfservice/va_ssnew/help/customer/locale/en-US/portal/554400000001018/topic/554400000004049/M21-1-Adjudication-Procedures-Manual <—-LINK

Good luck,
Ron
On behalf of all the Vets in this thread, I want to thank you sincerely for all of your help, Ron. You are doing such good work and I deeply appreciate all you do for us in here. As promised months ago, I will keep everyone informed of my progress with the hopes of helping others along the way as well.

All the best,

John
 
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