How do I calculate my CRSC

dminges

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Hello all,

I am new here and very confused by CRSC pay. I was medically retired at 11 years 8 months as an E7
I receive 100% from the VA, and received a 50% CRSC approval rating, What other info is needed, and how do I calculate what I should expect?

Thanks in advance
 

dminges

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After looking at the other threads, My high 3 is $3450, and I received a %70 rating from the Army, 100% VA Disability, and then 50% CRSC
 

RonG

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Hello,

Situation.
High three: 3450
DOD: 70%
VA: 100% (type & number of dependents missing)—assume single rate
CRSC: 50%
AD: 11 yrs 8 months

  1. 3450 x 0.70 = 2415 retired pay, all waived due to ~3000 VA comp
  2. 11.667 yrs x 0.025 = 29.17multiplier
  3. 3450 x 0.2917 = 1006.37 longevity portion of retirement pay
  4. CRSC @ 50%, no deps = $879.36
  5. Number 4 is less than number 3, CRSC= 879.36 (no dependents)
Your CRSC based on the info you provided is $879.36

Ron
 
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dminges

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Hello,

Situation.
High three: 3450
DOD: 70%
VA: 100% (type & number of dependents missing)—assume single rate
CRSC: 50%
AD: 11 yrs 8 months

  1. 3450 x 0.70 = 2415 retired pay, all waived due to ~3000 VA comp
  2. 11.667 yrs x 0.025 = 29.17multiplier
  3. 3450 x 0.2917 = 1006.37 longevity portion of retirement pay
  4. CRSC @ 50%, no deps = $879.36
  5. Number 4 is less than number 3, CRSC= 879.36 (no dependents)
Your CRSC based on the info you provided is $879.36

Ron

Thank you very much!!! I do have 3 dependents, change it very much?
 

RonG

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Thank you very much!!! I do have 3 dependents, change it very much?
All the retired pay is already waived using the without dependents rate. So...it does not cause any change in the retired pay.

It does change the amount of CRSC @ 50%.

Since I still do not know the categories of dependents, I cannot tell you the rate.

You will receive the lesser of
—1006.37 longevity portion of retirement pay
OR
—50% rate with applicable number of dependents by category shown in the VA compensation tables of DECEMBER 2018.
See Veterans Compensation Benefits Rate Tables - Effective 12/1/18 - Compensation <—-LINK

Note: The 11 years & 8 months was inferred to be active duty time. If it is not AD time, that changes the computation.
Ron
 
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dminges

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All the retired pay is already waived using the without dependents rate. So...it does not cause any change in the retired pay.

It does change the amount of CRSC @ 50%.

Since I still do not know the categories of dependents, I cannot tell you the rate.

You will receive the lesser of
—1006.37 longevity portion of retirement pay
OR
—50% rate with applicable number of dependents by category shown in the VA compensation tables of DECEMBER 2018.
See Veterans Compensation Benefits Rate Tables - Effective 12/1/18 - Compensation <—-LINK

Note: The 11 years & 8 months was inferred to be active duty time. If it is not AD time, that changes the computation.
Ron
Thank You!! Yes it Active Duty time, and it is one spouse and 2 children, thank you for all of your help!!
 

RonG

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$1,026.36 + $42 = $1068.36 is the CRSC rate approved by service
Longevity = $1006.37 longevity portion of retirement pay

Your CRSC payments = $1006.37

Good luck,
Ron
 

mariofromnewyork

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Ron,

E8 Retiring at 20 years.

$5300 High three
100% VA w/ 100% CRSC
Spouse w/ 2 dependents under 18

Trying to figure out what I'll get for a monthly check. Do I take the CRSC or CDRP?

Thanks in advance!

Mario
 

RonG

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Ron,
E8 Retiring at 20 years.
$5300 High three
100% VA w/ 100% CRSC
Spouse w/ 2 dependents under 18
Trying to figure out what I'll get for a monthly check. Do I take the CRSC or CDRP?
Thanks in advance!
Mario
IF you have a regular (20 year active duty) retirement
AND
both VA and CRSC are 100%
then
You would be better off taking CRSC since it is non-taxable

Regular retirement @ precisely 20 year AD:
5300 high three x 0.50 = 2650 retired pay
CRDP: You receive 2650 gross, all taxable
CRSC: You receive 2650 gross, all nontaxable
VA: Both cases...3000+

Again, with a regular retirement and the CRSC rate is approved at a percentage less than the VA rate, CRDP would be the best choice since CRSC would not replace all the waived retired pay in this instance.

If you are going to receive a CH 61 retirement, there are certain limitations not discussed above.

Ron
 

Hooah923

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I've read every reply on here and I'm still confused. I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but is CRSC additional to VA disability pay?

I am medically retired Army (90%), 100% VA, and I just received approval for 100% CRSC. I understand the amount is different for everyone. I get approximately $3400 a month from the VA, so will I receive CRSC in addition to that?

I appreciate your help.

Jay
 

RonG

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I've read every reply on here and I'm still confused. I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but is CRSC additional to VA disability pay?
I am medically retired Army (90%), 100% VA, and I just received approval for 100% CRSC. I understand the amount is different for everyone. I get approximately $3400 a month from the VA, so will I receive CRSC in addition to that?
I appreciate your help.
Jay
That is not a dumb question...

1. As a CH 61 retiree, you must waive/lose retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received.

2. Approved CRSC replaces some or all of the waived retired pay and it is in addition to VA compensation.

3. To qualify for CRSC you must:

  • be entitled to and/or receiving military retired pay
  • be rated at least 10 percent by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs (VA)
  • waive your VA pay from your retired pay
  • file a CRSC application with your Branch of Service
Disabilities that may be considered combat related include injuries incurred as a direct result of:

  • Armed Conflict
  • Hazardous Duty
  • An Instrumentality of War
  • Simulated War
4. A collection of CRSC information is available at the following on this board:
Supplement to CRSC Information <—-LINK
Use the red download button on that page.

Good luck,
Ron
 

mariofromnewyork

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IF you have a regular (20 year active duty) retirement
AND
both VA and CRSC are 100%
then
You would be better off taking CRSC since it is non-taxable

Regular retirement @ precisely 20 year AD:
5300 high three x 0.50 = 2650 retired pay
CRDP: You receive 2650 gross, all taxable
CRSC: You receive 2650 gross, all nontaxable
VA: Both cases...3000+

Again, with a regular retirement and the CRSC rate is approved at a percentage less than the VA rate, CRDP would be the best choice since CRSC would not replace all the waived retired pay in this instance.

If you are going to receive a CH 61 retirement, there are certain limitations not discussed above.

Ron

Ron,

Thanks for the quick reply. So under Regular retirement i could recieve:

$2650 Retire Pay Tax
$2650 CRSC Non Tax
$3100 VA Benefits

Or do I only receive CRSC & VA if rated 100% from both for total retirement payment of $5750 tax exempt?
 

RonG

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Ron,

Thanks for teh quick reply. So under Regular retirement i could recieve:

$2650 Retire Pay Tax
$2650 CRSC Non Tax
$3100 VA Benefits

Or do I only recieve CRSC & VA if rated 100% from both?
The following is based on the info you provided.

1. In any case, the maximum you would receive is:
$2650 from DFAS and $3100 (your figure) from the VA.
Total: $5750
Note: Prior to the advent of CRSC and CRDP about 15 years ago, all you would have received is $3100 VA compensation.

2. This is predicated on the accuracy of the data you proved. I include this comment because almost everyone who posts in this forum has had a disability retirement or separation (or is expecting those results).

3. Your CRSC would be 100% and replace the $2650 retired pay waived only if it approved by your service. You stated you had 100% CRSC. If your CRSC is approved at less than 100%, your waived retired pay would not be fully replaced by CRSC.

4. As a regular retiree, CRDP (if chosen) allows full receipt of retired pay if one has a VA rating of 50% or more.

5. CRSC is usually the best choice only in cases where the VA percentage and the CRSC approved percentage are the same. That sameness does not require 100%.

The above applies to a regular retirement.

Ron
 
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Doc19

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I’m trying to figure out how Army determines CRSC percentage? My DQ is 70% and a few others at 10s and 20s. Is it added the way VA does their math? Also could use help calculating crsc?

High 3 (about) 4250
16 yrs tis
70% DoD
100% VA
Crsc pending
1 spouse

Thanks in advance!
 

RonG

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I’m trying to figure out how Army determines CRSC percentage? My DQ is 70% and a few others at 10s and 20s. Is it added the way VA does their math? Also could use help calculating crsc?
High 3 (about) 4250
16 yrs tis
70% DoD
100% VA
Crsc pending
1 spouse
Thanks in advance!
The DOD CRSC percentages mirrors the rates in the VA compensation tables, although not every VA approved disability ends up as part of CRSC. The service determines what is approved as combat related for CRSC and an application is required. It is my understanding that the DOD combines disabilities in the same manner as the VA.

The following is needed for an estimate:
  1. High three average base pay
  2. Precise number of active duty or active duty equivalent years.
  3. DoD Disability percentage
  4. VA percentage; the amount; and number of dependents by category
  5. Approved CRSC rate OR expected CRSC rate
A collection of CRSC info is at LINK <—-

Ron
 
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1SGrickrowell

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hello,
I need help figuring out my CRSC amount.
I retired from Active Duty Army with 21 years and 6 months on 30 Jun 2018 as an E8 under the REDUX retirement plan. this was a regular retirement NOT a medical retirement.
I believe my 3 high average was $5100.00
I was awarded 100% VA Disability with a spouse, 1 child under 18 in school, and 1 child over 18 in college.
My current monthly VA Disability pay is $3626.00
My current monthly military retiree pay is $2251.00
I was awarded 100% CRSC back-dated to my retirement date of 30 June 2018.

WHAT AM I LOOKING AT WITH CRSC?
 

RonG

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REDUX CASE

1. 5100 high three
2. 21.5 years active duty x 2.5% = 53.75 multiplier
3. Non-Disability retirees (REDUX) will have their percent multiplier reduced by:
--1 percent for each full year of creditable service less than 30, and
--1/12th of 1 percent for each full month of creditable service less than a full year.
3. 30 years minus 21.5 years = 8.5 (8 yrs 6 mo)
4. Multiplier 53.75 minus 8.5 (8 years and 6/12ths) = 45.25% REDUX multiplier
5. 5100 x 0.4525 = 2307.75 REDUX RETIRED PAY using information furnished, some of which was "believe." In any case, the rate I computed is close to the rate you are being paid.

CRDP Information:
Since you have a active duty retirement, but with REDUX and a VA rating of 50% or more, your retired pay is likely ALL CRDP now and is shown as CRDP on page two of your DFAS RAS as a comment. The gross retired pay on page one includes CRDP.

As a REDUX retiree, your CRDP is computed using the REDUX formula.

CRSC computation:
--As a REDUX retiree will be the lesser of the longevity portion of your retired pay (using REDUX formula)
OR
--The dollar amount associated with 100% CRSC with the number of dependents you showed, using the VA compensation charts.

Your CRSC will be the longevity retirement (REDUX formula) amount since it is the lesser.

In other words, your CRSC should be the same amount as your CRDP except it is non-taxable.

If you wish, I can provide a link to another site where a few years ago I wrote about filing amended tax returns for years having retroactive CRSC authorization. DFAS will not go back to 2018 and change your CRDP TO CRSC in this case.

Ron
 

SSG Horin

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REDUX CASE

1. 5100 high three
2. 21.5 years active duty x 2.5% = 53.75 multiplier
3. Non-Disability retirees (REDUX) will have their percent multiplier reduced by:
--1 percent for each full year of creditable service less than 30, and
--1/12th of 1 percent for each full month of creditable service less than a full year.
3. 30 years minus 21.5 years = 8.5 (8 yrs 6 mo)
4. Multiplier 53.75 minus 8.5 (8 years and 6/12ths) = 45.25% REDUX multiplier
5. 5100 x 0.4525 = 2307.75 REDUX RETIRED PAY using information furnished, some of which was "believe." In any case, the rate I computed is close to the rate you are being paid.

CRDP Information:
Since you have a active duty retirement, but with REDUX and a VA rating of 50% or more, your retired pay is likely ALL CRDP now and is shown as CRDP on page two of your DFAS RAS as a comment. The gross retired pay on page one includes CRDP.

As a REDUX retiree, your CRDP is computed using the REDUX formula.

CRSC computation:
--As a REDUX retiree will be the lesser of the longevity portion of your retired pay (using REDUX formula)
OR
--The dollar amount associated with 100% CRSC with the number of dependents you showed, using the VA compensation charts.

Your CRSC will be the longevity retirement (REDUX formula) amount since it is the lesser.

In other words, your CRSC should be the same amount as your CRDP except it is non-taxable.

If you wish, I can provide a link to another site where a few years ago I wrote about filing amended tax returns for years having retroactive CRSC authorization. DFAS will not go back to 2018 and change your CRDP TO CRSC in this case.

Ron
Ron,

I finally got my CRSC this month. It’s was $1453 per month. They are saying another 90-120 days before I get back pay check all the way from July 18. Also my va 100% w two dependents went from $3650 last month to $3128 this month over $500 short. Do you know why this happened? Thanks for your knowledge.



SSG Horin
 

RonG

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Ron,

[1.] I finally got my CRSC this month. It’s was $1453 per month. They are saying another 90-120 days before I get back pay check all the way from July 18.

[2.]Also my va 100% w two dependents went from $3650 last month to $3128 this month over $500 short. Do you know why this happened? Thanks for your knowledge.
SSG Horin
I inserted numbers to your paragraphs for reference purposes. Additionally, you do not mention category of retirement or approved CRSC percentage.

Item number 1. There is no question presented by you. If you are wondering why you received $1453 CRSC and are a CH 61 retiree, your CRSC would be the lesser of:
—dollar amount of the longevity portion of retirement pay
OR
—dollar amount of CRSC percentage which can be found in VA compensation tables.

Item number 2. I have no idea why your VA amount decreased. Please keep in mind that we know nothing about your situation other than what you posted here.
Recommendations:
—check eBenefits for info
—ask your VSO for help
—call the VA

Ron
 
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