I need help understanding dates on Disability Retirement Orders!!!

ginovega

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I just received my Retirement orders and the following dates appear and I would like to have a clear understanding of what they mean

Basic Pay: 22 years, 4 months, 17 days
Disability retirement: 19 years, 7 months, 9 days
Section 1405: 21 years, 4 months, 5 days
Date initially entered military: 12 October 1995

Can someone explain me what each mean? I have an idea but I want to make sure. Looks like when I did my calculations for my Disability Retirement I was off buy a month, meaning now the Army calculations show an extra month...( I think). I don't know what that came from so I need to understand this pretty quick, to see if it their mistake or mine.

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Looks like you are/were a reservist/NG at one point in time. If this is correct how many retirement points do you have?
 

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Regarding:
Basic Pay: 22 years, 4 months, 17 days
Disability retirement: 19 years, 7 months, 9 days
Section 1405: 21 years, 4 months, 5 days
Date initially entered military: 12 October 1995

1. Basic pay: creditable service for basic pay which is used with the military pay charts.
2. Disability retirement: active duty or active duty equivalent
3. Section 1405: 1405 Service are those Inactive Duty Training (IDT) points creditable toward retired pay that a reservist earned (normally prior to being ordered to continuous active duty service).
4. Date initially entered service: as stated

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ginovega

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Thank you

1. I have always been a Reserve Officer, I serve 3 years AC, 4 years Reserve (Got MOB) then AGR the rest of the way
Basic Pay - is definitely wrong, my basic pay should be about 23 years

2. As for Points, for a retirement date of 6 Nov 2019 I will have 7135 Active Duty points and 7550 total points, this is by looking at my Point statements document.
however, my confusion is how the conversion is from Disability retirement to points - because - it is not making sense to me.. 7135 active duty points is not equal to 19 years 7 months, 9 days AFS ...

3. Also, What time will they use to calculate my Retirement pay ?
 

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Ron can answer this better, however; right now my train of thought is it really doesn't matter with the 7550 points your eligible for CDRP as long as your above 50% DOD and VA.
 

ginovega

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Well, everyone I have talked with have said I must have 7200 ACTIVE DUTY POINTS to get CDRP ( I got 100% P & T)
 

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TPU and AGR Soldiers will have their retirement point records updated by their Unit representative whom will submit a manual encrypted email request with supporting documentation to the Personnel Action Branch at AHRC responsible for the action of the Soldier. To assist the Unit representative in making changes to a Soldier's retirement point record, the Soldier must provide the unit with proof of one or more performance source documents. Unit representatives will submit manual cases with source documents on all prior service Soldiers to AHRC upon in-processing into unit. AR 140-185 directs units to conduct an annual review of the chronological statement of retirement points of each Soldier. Most of the retirement point validation documents are listed as Key Supporting Documents in AR 600-8-104 and should be iPERM'd.

National Guard Soldiers have their retirement points recorded in a separate retirement point accounting system. Upon retirement, ARNG Soldiers retirement points are not fed into RPAS. The NGB Form 23A is utilized as the source document of the ARNG duty performed by a Soldier. Before a former or retired member of the National Guard can start to draw retired pay, he or she must submit a retired pay certification packet (including a summary of all retirement points earned while in the ARNG) to the AHRC Reserve Retired Pay Office. Upon certification of retired pay, AHRC forwards the certification to DFAS.

 

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Re: 7200 points

For a reservist to be eligible for immediate retirement pay (non-disability) , they must have =>7200 points.
7200/360 = 20 years active duty

There are at least two members of PEB forum who qualified that way. I believe Ocean is one of them.

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See post 4 at Medical retirement and VA compensation <—-LINK

Orange Sky had 7200 points.

Also, from a non- military site:
MAXIMUM POINTS IN A GIVEN YEAR
The maximum number of Retirement Points a servicemember can earn in any given year is 365 (366 in leap years). This corresponds to serving every day on active duty (or an equivalent number of service Points). You will note that you cannot double dip on Retirement Points and do correspondence courses or other service to earn more than 365 Points in a given year.

By law, there is a cap on the number of inactive duty points that can be accrued for retirement in a given year.

  • Reserve year ends on or after 30 Oct 2007: max of 130 Points
  • Reserve year ends on or after 29 Oct 2000: max of 90 Points
  • Reserve year ends on or after 23 Sep 1996: max of 75 Points
  • Before 23 Sep 1996: max of 60 Points
These limits apply across all branches of the military.
LINK <—

The more recent posts of this thread discuss this subject: —->LINK <—-

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[excerpt, Orange Sky]

Hi Ron. My reference was from AF Legal Office of Airmen’s Council (OAC) and AFPC while going through the MEB. I wanted representation from the OAC because I wanted to make sure I get my 20 AD yrs as an AGR since I was so close. I had over 20 total time years and well over 7200 total points but was short in the AD column for points. I asked because I had heard through the rumor mill that it was based off total points for medical retirement but in order to draw immediately the Total AD points had to be 7200. When I spoke with AFPC about my orders and points, they had to contact ARPC to validate my total AD points and ARPC had to send them my point summary out to my projected retirement date. I was sent something in writing as to the 7200 AD point retirement from OAC. I’ll see if I backed it up from my work emails. On my retirement paperwork somewhere there is a calculation of my AD points as well as my total points. So I reached 20 AGR years but have over 20-plus years total with all those total points. It’s confusing for sure but in the end it all works out.

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ginovega

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That is exactly what I thought. However my confusion now is the conversion they had made in these orders. as making some math and converting
Disability retirement 19 years 7 months and 9 days AFS should be aprx = 19*365=6935 + 7*30 =210 + 9 = 7154
My points 7135/360 = 19 years 9 months 25 days

Does this make any sense to you or I am all wrong
 

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That is exactly what I thought. However my confusion now is the conversion they had made in these orders. as making some math and converting
Disability retirement 19 years 7 months and 9 days AFS should be aprx = 19*365=6935 + 7*30 =210 + 9 = 7154
My points 7135/360 = 19 years 9 months 25 days

Does this make any sense to you or I am all wrong
I was not a reservist, but...
Military pay and creditable service for retirement are computed on 30-day months. That is the basis for military active duty pay as well.

It seems that a reservist receives a benefit of sorts since the maximum number of Retirement Points a service member can earn in any given year is 365 (366 in leap years).
The conversion of points to months and years is (total points/360) = active duty equivalent

Note: In reading some of the narratives from other members today, I noticed the term "Active Duty Points" used in conjunction with the formula. Perhaps @Guardguy11 will comment on this.

10 U.S. Code § 12733.Computation of retired pay: computation of years of service

For the purpose of computing the retired pay of a person under this chapter, the person’s years of service and any fraction of such a year are computed by dividing 360 into the sum of the following:
(1)
The person’s days of active service.
(2)
The person’s days of full-time service under sections 316, 502, 503, 504, and 505 of title 32 while performing annual training duty or while attending a prescribed course of instruction at a school designated as a service school by law or by the Secretary concerned.
(3)One day for each point credited to the person under clause (B), (C), or (D) of section 12732(a)(2) of this title, but not more than—
(A)
60 days in any one year of service before the year of service that includes September 23, 1996;
(B)
75 days in the year of service that includes September 23, 1996, and in any subsequent year of service before the year of service that includes October 30, 2000;
(C)
90 days in the year of service that includes October 30, 2000, and in any subsequent year of service before the year of service that includes October 30, 2007; and
(D)
130 days in the year of service that includes October 30, 2007, and in any subsequent year of service.
(4)
One day for each point credited to the person under subparagraph (E) of section 12732(a)(2) of this title.
(5)
50 days for each year before July 1, 1949, and proportionately for each fraction of a year, of service (other than active service) in a reserve component of an armed force, in the Army or the Air Force without component, or in any other category covered by section 12732(a)(1) of this title, except a regular component.
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RE: Retirement Points, Page 5, AR 135–180 • 28 April 2015

https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/r135_180.pdf <---LINK to AR 135-180

Forms, Reserve Retirement Repository, points of contact, etc., are discussed.

Randomly selected excerpt:
"(2) Reservists assigned to the Standby and Retired Reserve may request retirement point statements, using the address indicated in paragraph 2–7a. (3) DA Form 1506 for USAR Soldiers will be furnished on the DA Form 5016. b. ARNG Soldiers and former ARNG Soldiers will be issued RPAM statements (NGB Form 23B) by the State AG (MPMO/G1) in accordance with NGR 680–2.."

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ginovega

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Ron

Thank you.

I do have access to my Retirement Point Statement via the HRC portal. That's why the statement in my retirement orders are confusing to me. BTW I provided them a copy of that document to the transition office here at Fort Bragg w copies of all the ADT, AT, MOB orders when I was a TPU .
 

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I would be very interested in how this turns out for you.

Please keep us updated.

You might want to visit with @Orange Sky

He has been helpful in the past.

Ron
 

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Do the reserves / national guard divide by 365 instead of the active duty of 360?
From government site:
"The third category we shall call- Years of Service for Retired Pay Percentage Multiple. YOS for retirement percentage multiple determines the years of service for computing the retired pay multiplier. This category of years of service includes all periods of active service (counted as one point for each day) plus all points earned through qualifying reserve duty, not exceeding annual limits, divided by 360. "

LINK for 360 info <----

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ginovega

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Then my orders are wrong because 19 years 7 months and 9 days using the 360 formula = 7059 active duty points
My point statement reflects 7135 active duty points

So they messed up somewhere...
 
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