P3 profile question

[chosin132]

I have a former soldier of mine who is now going through the medboard process. I went through mine in 2015 and I'm sure some aspects of the process have changed since then.

One thing my old soldier is telling me is that his peblo informed him that once the process has begun he can't add any new P3 profiles. Only the MEB physician can do that after he has gone through his VA C&P exams. He has one for his lower extremities and a long-standing P2 for his back and abdomen. Now he can't do any alternate PT events. Shouldn't this be added as a P3 as well?

In my situation, I got a P3 for lack of ability to smell and taste which initiated the Medboard. Before my 1st C&P exams I had 2 more P3 profiles. One for my knees and one for mental health.

Can anyone let me know the official regs on adding more applicable P3s.

 

[Provis]

I have a former soldier of mine who is now going through the medboard process. I went through mine in 2015 and I'm sure some aspects of the process have changed since then.

One thing my old soldier is telling me is that his peblo informed him that once the process has begun he can't add any new P3 profiles. Only the MEB physician can do that after he has gone through his VA C&P exams. He has one for his lower extremities and a long-standing P2 for his back and abdomen. Now he can't do any alternate PT events. Shouldn't this be added as a P3 as well?

In my situation, I got a P3 for lack of ability to smell and taste which initiated the Medboard. Before my 1st C&P exams I had 2 more P3 profiles. One for my knees and one for mental health.

Can anyone let me know the official regs on adding more applicable P3s.

Normally additional conditions aren't added automatically. You have to fight for it by requesting a FPEB to add an additional condition as unfitting. If there is overwhelming evidence of a condition being unfitting it is typically added at the NARSUM stage. My wife has mental health added at that stage. She did however, have plenty of medical records supporting it with probably the best evidence being that in her Commander's impact statement mental health and the symptoms that come with that condition created problems that affected her work performance.

I would plan on them not being added but then work in the background to get everything medically documented. Also, a big help and I would say is most convincing is a profile for restrictions. It sounds like he has them but they are P2. So after the exams is the NARSUM stage. If any of those conditions are listed as fit that is the first.step to appeal. He can submit a written rebuttal to the NARSUM stating how those condition cause him to not be able to do certain duties.

Then just be prepared to request a FPEB when you get the IPEB results if there are conditions listed as fitting when they shouldn't be.

 

[JoelPettit]

@chosin132

@Provis is correct. There isn't really a specific time when P3/P4 will or won't be added. Sadly, the FPEB route is typically the way Solidiers do it. For some info on the two mechanisms by which to raise the issue to show the MEB, IPEB and FPEB that you've been trying from the very start, see these two videos - one on the IMR and one on the MEB Rebuttual.

1) IMR:

View: https://youtu.be/Nl9B7Mi7BXM


2) MEB Rebuttals:

View: https://youtu.be/y6XtXSbli9c


I hope these help.

S/F,

Joel

Full disclosure: I was a Marine JAG (Deputy SJA for Camp Lejeune), Active Duty and Reserve IPEB & FPEB attorney, federal government civilian FPEB & TDRL-focused attorney at the Navy PEB, and now a private attorney focused solely on IDES cases.

 

[chosin132]

@chosin132

@Provis is correct. There isn't really a specific time when P3/P4 will or won't be added. Sadly, the FPEB route is typically the way Solidiers do it. For some info on the two mechanisms by which to raise the issue to show the MEB, IPEB and FPEB that you've been trying from the very start, see these two videos - one on the IMR and one on the MEB Rebuttual.

1) IMR:

View: https://youtu.be/Nl9B7Mi7BXM


2) MEB Rebuttals:

View: https://youtu.be/y6XtXSbli9c


I hope these help.

S/F,

Joel

Full disclosure: I was a Marine JAG (Deputy SJA for Camp Lejeune), Active Duty and Reserve IPEB & FPEB attorney, federal government civilian FPEB & TDRL-focused attorney at the Navy PEB, and now a private attorney focused solely on IDES cases.

Thanks for the help Joel. I just forwarded on to my old soldier.