PDRL Orders Do I get Immediate Retirement Pay or Not Until Age 60

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Mwitt1275

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I meet with my State Retirement Service Office tomorrow, and he called me to verify somethings but told me I won't draw my military retirement until age 60? I thought I would draw immediately please someone help clarify this. 60 is many years away. Here are my orders from San Antonio

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Hello @Mwitt1275

You will be entitled to disability retired pay @40% immediately upon your entry on the PDRL.

Your retired pay will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received. That likely will leave you will zero retired pay.

If you have 20 Good Years as a NG or reservist, you can apply for non-regular retired pay as you approach the age requirement of 60.
CRDP at that time (if your VA rating is 50% or more) will pay you the longevity portion of your retired pay.

Now, with a disability retirement, CRSC is the only avenue for you to receive any pay from DFAS.
See these links:
DoD Retired Pay and VA Compensation LINK <----
3. Army CRSC Page LINK <—-
4. Collection of CRSC information LINK <—-

Ron
 
RonG said:
Hello @Mwitt1275

You will be entitled to disability retired pay @40% immediately upon your entry on the PDRL.

Your retired pay will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received. That likely will leave you will zero retired pay.

If you have 20 Good Years as a NG or reservist, you can apply for non-regular retired pay as you approach the age requirement of 60.
CRDP at that time (if your VA rating is 50% or more) will pay you the longevity portion of your retired pay.

Now, with a disability retirement, CRSC is the only avenue for you to receive any pay from DFAS.
See these links:
DoD Retired Pay and VA Compensation LINK <----
3. Army CRSC Page LINK <—-
4. Collection of CRSC information LINK <—-

Ron
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Is there some place on this forum where a breakdown of all the data on this letter means?

For example: Disability retirement 5 years 4 months 1 day

vs basic pay 20 years

vs Total service for disability retirement .... 4years 11 months 3 days


How is the retirement amount calculated given these three "amounts" of time?

Is this person automatically on the PDRL as of 13 August?
 
JakeTrilla said:
Is there some place on this forum where a breakdown of all the data on this letter means?

For example: Disability retirement 5 years 4 months 1 day

vs basic pay 20 years

vs Total service for disability retirement .... 4years 11 months 3 days


How is the retirement amount calculated given these three "amounts" of time?

Is this person automatically on the PDRL as of 13 August?
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Hello,

There are dozens/hundreds of computations on this board that are similar.

4years 11 months is 4.92 active duty equivalent.

Active duty equivalent x 2.5% = longevity multiplier (2% is used for blended retirement)

Longevity multiplier x average high three base pay = longevity portion of retired pay

Longevity portion of retired pay is what you would receive at age 60 (COLA increases added).
It is also a CRSC ceiling.

Average high three base pay = total of highest 36 months of base pay divided by 36

Ron
 
RonG said:
Longevity portion of retired pay is what you would receive at age 60 (COLA increases added).
It is also a CRSC ceiling.
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So the op will not receive retirement pay until age 60?

I was under the impression that a ch61 medical retirement (30% and over) entitled the new "retiree" to the retirement pay immediately...
 
JakeTrilla said:
So the op will not receive retirement pay until age 60?

I was under the impression that a ch61 medical retirement (30% and over) entitled the new "retiree" to the retirement pay immediately...
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Yes, but in order to receive VA compensation, one has to agree to waive retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received.

I addressed this situation with:
1. You will be entitled to disability retired pay @40% immediately upon your entry on the PDRL.

2. Your retired pay will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received. That likely will leave you will zero retired pay.

3. If you have 20 Good Years as a NG or reservist, you can apply for non-regular retired pay as you approach the age requirement of 60.
CRDP at that time (if your VA rating is 50% or more) will pay you the longevity portion of your retired pay.

4. Now, with a disability retirement, CRSC is the only avenue for you to receive any pay from DFAS.

5, See these links:
DoD Retired Pay and VA Compensation LINK <----
3. Army CRSC Page LINK <—-
4. Collection of CRSC information LINK <—-

Ron
 
Yes, but in order to receive VA compensation, one has to agree to waive retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received.
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And then CRSC (assuming they qualify of course) could be applied to recoup some of the retired pay that was waived... Correct?
 
What does the "basic pay 20 years one day" in the letter refer to?

Is this person a Ch31 retiree with more than 20 years?
 
JakeTrilla said:
And then CRSC (assuming they qualify of course) could be applied to recoup some of the retired pay that was waived... Correct?
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Yes, you are correct; CRSC replaces some or all of approved combat related disabilities for which retired pay was waived.

I said: "4. Now, with a disability retirement, CRSC is the only avenue for you to receive any pay from DFAS."

CRSC can never exceed the amount of retired pay waived/offset nor be more than the longevity portion of retired pay.

Ron
 
JakeTrilla said:
What does the "basic pay 20 years one day" in the letter refer to?

Is this person a Ch31 retiree with more than 20 years?
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That does not apply to the computation I explained. Average high three base pay is used. Also, 20 years base pay does not mean 20 Good years for reserve retirement.

When I retired in 1991, final base pay was used.

Ron
 
RonG said:
Yes, but in order to receive VA compensation, one has to agree to waive retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received.

I addressed this situation with:
1. You will be entitled to disability retired pay @40% immediately upon your entry on the PDRL.

2. Your retired pay will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received. That likely will leave you will zero retired pay.

3. If you have 20 Good Years as a NG or reservist, you can apply for non-regular retired pay as you approach the age requirement of 60.
CRDP at that time (if your VA rating is 50% or more) will pay you the longevity portion of your retired pay.

4. Now, with a disability retirement, CRSC is the only avenue for you to receive any pay from DFAS.

5, See these links:
DoD Retired Pay and VA Compensation LINK <----
3. Army CRSC Page LINK <—-
4. Collection of CRSC information LINK <—-

Ron
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I understand the member's situation somewhat but I am not sure how many years service he actually has. I have a similar question concerning CRDP. While serving on active duty as and AGR with the Air National Guard (ANG) I was medically retired. I had over 15 years AD and a total of over 21 years service which included previous ANG time as a guardsman. I have an Air Force Medical retirement with DD214 but did not receive pay until age 60. Now I have CRDP. My paperwork says my previous retirement pay was waived due to my 100% VA unemployability pay. This is very confusing. Yes, I could have retired from the Guard with my 20 year letter but my pay is from active duty retirement.

There are several categories of eligibility for CRDP and now I am not sure which one I fall under since I do have over 20 years service but I am retired active duty with just over 15 years (17.77 years TAFMS). Shouldn't the over 20 have given me CRDP in 2004?
 
oshark2 said:
I understand the member's situation somewhat but I am not sure how many years service he actually has. I have a similar question concerning CRDP. While serving on active duty as and AGR with the Air National Guard (ANG) I was medically retired. I had over 15 years AD and a total of over 21 years service which included previous ANG time as a guardsman. I have an Air Force Medical retirement with DD214 but did not receive pay until age 60. Now I have CRDP. My paperwork says my previous retirement pay was waived due to my 100% VA unemployability pay. This is very confusing. Yes, I could have retired from the Guard with my 20 year letter but my pay is from active duty retirement.

There are several categories of eligibility for CRDP and now I am not sure which one I fall under since I do have over 20 years service but I am retired active duty with just over 15 years (17.77 years TAFMS). Shouldn't the over 20 have given me CRDP in 2004?
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Hello,

1. Fifteen years active duty does not qualify for CRDP unless it is a TERA retirement. That is true even if one has additional reserve time. It appears you received a disability retirement (since you did not qualify for a regular retirement).

2. If you accepted VA comp, then your disability retired pay would be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of the VA comp. Accepting VA comp is always a good choice even if it is only 10%. The retiree still receives the retirement pay in excess of the VA amount.

3. The CRDP you now receive is not the result of a regular active duty retirement ; it is from the 20 Good Years I infer you had and met the non regular retirement age requirement (plus 50% or more VA rating). For reservists /NG CRDP is based on the longevity portion of retired pay using the active duty equivalent in the computation.

4. There are many examples of the computations for this type case on this forum.

Good luck,
Ron
 
RonG said:
Hello,

1. Fifteen years active duty does not qualify for CRDP unless it is a TERA retirement. That is true even if one has additional reserve time. It appears you received a disability retirement (since you did not qualify for a regular retirement).

2. If you accepted VA comp, then your disability retired pay would be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of the VA comp. Accepting VA comp is always a good choice even if it is only 10%. The retiree still receives the retirement pay in excess of the VA amount.

3. The CRDP you now receive is not the result of a regular active duty retirement ; it is from the 20 Good Years I infer you had and met the non regular retirement age requirement (plus 50% or more VA rating). For reservists /NG CRDP is based on the longevity portion of retired pay using the active duty equivalent in the computation.

4. There are many examples of the computations for this type case on this forum.

Good luck,
Ron
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Thank you Ron
 
Mwitt1275 said:
I meet with my State Retirement Service Office tomorrow, and he called me to verify somethings but told me I won't draw my military retirement until age 60? I thought I would draw immediately please someone help clarify this. 60 is many years away. Here are my orders from San Antonio

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Mwitt1275 said:
I meet with my State Retirement Service Office tomorrow, and he called me to verify somethings but told me I won't draw my military retirement until age 60? I thought I would draw immediately please someone help clarify this. 60 is many years away. Here are my orders from San Antonio

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@Mwitt1275

How did this all play out for you? I saw your post and was curious how it has all gone with your retirement and any CRDP/CRSC since this post.

My orders are very similar (National Guard Ch 61 retiree) with the exception that my disability retirement shows a couple more years (I doubt that matters at all). So, whatever happened for you would be highly informative for anyone else who follows with this question as well.

Thanks,
 
I have worked with Concurrent Military Retirement Pay and DVA Disability Compensation (formerly CRDP) and CRSC since their genesis .

Last week, I explained your non-eligibility to Concurrent Military Retirement Pay and DVA Disability Compensation unless you have 20 good years AND meet the age requirement which can be reduced for certain deployments.

Also included:

You are not eligible for non regular (reserve/Ng) retired pay unless you have 20 Good Years and meet the age requirement which can be reduced (age) by certain deployments.

Disability retirees can qualify for CRSC.(Combat Related Special Compensation), even with less than 20 years AFS.

As a disability retiree who does not qualify for Concurrent Military Retirement Pay and DVA Disability Compensation,
your disability retired pay is reduced by the amount of your VA compensation (aka “VA Offset”).

Approved CRSC could replace some or all of the retired pay waived/reduced/offset.


Contemporary CRSC Information--Also See Update at Bottom of this Resource Page <—CRSC INFO LINK

Ron
 
RonG said:
I have worked with Concurrent Military Retirement Pay and DVA Disability Compensation (formerly CRDP) and CRSC since their genesis .

Last week, I explained your non-eligibility to Concurrent Military Retirement Pay and DVA Disability Compensation unless you have 20 good years AND meet the age requirement which can be reduced for certain deployments.

Also included:

You are not eligible for non regular (reserve/Ng) retired pay unless you have 20 Good Years and meet the age requirement which can be reduced (age) by certain deployments.

Disability retirees can qualify for CRSC.(Combat Related Special Compensation), even with less than 20 years AFS.

As a disability retiree who does not qualify for Concurrent Military Retirement Pay and DVA Disability Compensation,
your disability retired pay is reduced by the amount of your VA compensation (aka “VA Offset”).

Approved CRSC could replace some or all of the retired pay waived/reduced/offset.


Contemporary CRSC Information--Also See Update at Bottom of this Resource Page <—CRSC INFO LINK

Ron
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Yes, @RonG, I did see that and I am very appreciative for the information. I'm still trying to understand everything in regard to this stuff. I've been retired for over 8 years and nobody ever talked to me about this stuff. Since this soldier's retirement has happened much more recently than mine, I was hoping to hear about their meeting they had the following day. I'm hoping that they received answers and explanations to things in this thread and could share their newfound experience for others (myself included since I seem to just been discarded without the meeting they were talking about).
 
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