Received my CRSC Approval letter today.

Justpaint89

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Yipee, crsc statement was posted on mypay today. I have two questions. I have been paying SBP out of pocket since retirement. Will the retro active pay be with the current amount of crsc or the amount before sbp deduction. Also statement says effective day of April 01, 2018. What is the time frame for retro active payment.
 

Paul_Music

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Your SBP should be deducted from your monthly CRSC entitlement. It will tell you on the statement under garnishments. And as far as back pay timeline, that’s a moving target. I have been waiting almost 2 months since my first payment. I got my approval in August, statement showed up on mypay in September. Received first payment in October and all dfas tells me is it’s atill being audited. So I just gave up bothering them because they can’t tell you anything but it could take 120 days.
 

RonG

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Yipee, crsc statement was posted on mypay today. I have two questions. I have been paying SBP out of pocket since retirement. Will the retro active pay be with the current amount of crsc or the amount before sbp deduction. Also statement says effective day of April 01, 2018. What is the time frame for retro active payment.
See the following for SBP payments: https://www.dfas.mil/retiredmilitary/provide/sbp/payment.html

If you receive CRSC and previously paid your monthly premiums directly, you will not receive a direct remittance bill for your SBP monthly premium due in or after April of 2018, and should not pay your monthly premium via direct remittance. If you have set up automatic payments for SBP monthly premiums through your financial institution, you will need to stop that monthly premium payment prior to the April 2018 payment date.

Special note: the SBP recurring monthly premium deduction will show under the garnishments category on your CRSC statement. Beginning with the April 2018 CRSC entitlement (paid on May 1, 2018), there will be a note (“Garnishment amount of $XX is for SBP Deduction") on your CRSC monthly statement with the amount of your SBP recurring monthly premium deduction that appears in the garnishments category on your statement. This note does NOT mean that past due SBP premiums are deducted from CRSC. It is only to identify the recurring monthly premium deduction.

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Retro CRSC: 1-3 months per anecdotal evidence. Some have taken longer. There is no precise timeframe.

Ron
 

Justpaint89

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See the following for SBP payments: https://www.dfas.mil/retiredmilitary/provide/sbp/payment.html

If you receive CRSC and previously paid your monthly premiums directly, you will not receive a direct remittance bill for your SBP monthly premium due in or after April of 2018, and should not pay your monthly premium via direct remittance. If you have set up automatic payments for SBP monthly premiums through your financial institution, you will need to stop that monthly premium payment prior to the April 2018 payment date.

Special note: the SBP recurring monthly premium deduction will show under the garnishments category on your CRSC statement. Beginning with the April 2018 CRSC entitlement (paid on May 1, 2018), there will be a note (“Garnishment amount of $XX is for SBP Deduction") on your CRSC monthly statement with the amount of your SBP recurring monthly premium deduction that appears in the garnishments category on your statement. This note does NOT mean that past due SBP premiums are deducted from CRSC. It is only to identify the recurring monthly premium deduction.

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Retro CRSC: 1-3 months per anecdotal evidence. Some have taken longer. There
See the following for SBP payments: https://www.dfas.mil/retiredmilitary/provide/sbp/payment.html

If you receive CRSC and previously paid your monthly premiums directly, you will not receive a direct remittance bill for your SBP monthly premium due in or after April of 2018, and should not pay your monthly premium via direct remittance. If you have set up automatic payments for SBP monthly premiums through your financial institution, you will need to stop that monthly premium payment prior to the April 2018 payment date.

Special note: the SBP recurring monthly premium deduction will show under the garnishments category on your CRSC statement. Beginning with the April 2018 CRSC entitlement (paid on May 1, 2018), there will be a note (“Garnishment amount of $XX is for SBP Deduction") on your CRSC monthly statement with the amount of your SBP recurring monthly premium deduction that appears in the garnishments category on your statement. This note does NOT mean that past due SBP premiums are deducted from CRSC. It is only to identify the recurring monthly premium deduction.

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Retro CRSC: 1-3 months per anecdotal evidence. Some have taken longer. There is no precise timeframe.

Ron
ok thank you. How ever long it takes for retro is what we get paid right so if it takes a year we get paid that year right.
 

RonG

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JustPaint89,

I am sure this is no consolation, but I have had retro payments from the VA and the DFAS that included waits of:
--One year
--Two Years
--30 months

Most of my retro CRSC payments have been within the 1-3 month range.

The first two were due to delay by the VA after increase in rating.
The 30 month delay belonged to DFAS that was complicated, but should not have been. They never sent the audit to the VA until I requested a senator become involved.

Things are much better now. Yes, when the audit is completed you will be paid (reference your last sentence).

I have had many changes in VA ratings and I have switched between CRDP and CRSC several times. My first rating was 20%; it has also been 40%; 50%; 70%; 100%; back to 80%...then to 90%...and finally 100% again. Most of the disabilities are exposure to Agent Orange related. I am surprised to still be here at age 73.

Good luck,
Ron
 

RonG

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An estimate was provided last Saturday.

Estimate.

1. High 3, 3563.58 x 30% DoD = 1069.06 retired pay
2. All retired pay is waived due to receipt of VA compensation that is >= retired pay
3. 10.33 yrs AD x 2.5% = 25.8% multiplier
4. 3563.58 x 25.8 = 919.40 longevity portion of retired pay
5. 50% CRSC, spouse and 2 children = 1039.41 (current tables on this date)
6. Amount at item 4 is less than amount at item 5 = CRSC 919.40

Based on the information you provided, your CRSC will be about 919.40. Earlier periods would be slightly less.

Not everyone receives retroactive payment of CRSC, but if your approval shows a retroactive effective date and you waived retired pay for the retro period, you should receive a retroactive payment.

Ron

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The link provided will a computation that is close. Some of the elements have not been updated since 2014 (e.g., VA comp rates are outdated).
 

Bribri0421

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Hi! Looking for some guidance. This whole process confuses me. My husband was just approved at 100%. He was medically retired in 2012 after 8 years. How do we go about figuring out what our CRSC will be? Any clue what we’re looking at for retro pay? According to the approval letter we got last week, he’s approved starting November of 2012. Any guidance with this would be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you!
 

RonG

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Precise info is needed to offer a computation. A guess at DoD percentage will not do. See the following for info needed. I would be happy to provide an estimate.

The information associated with all of the five numbered items below is needed. Incomplete answers will preclude an accurate estimate. Each numbered item below is a factor in the CRSC calculation.

1. High three base pay average for retirement or your current DoD disability retirement gross found on page one of the DFAS RAS. Please indicate whether you are providing the high three average or the retirement gross found on the DFAS RAS. The high-36 method is the average of the highest 36 months of basic pay divided by 36. This is generally the last 3 years of service and is sometimes called high-3. EXAMPLE: High three average $3333 (or alternative: Gross Retired Pay on DFAS RAS $xxxx.xx)

2. DoD disability retirement percentage. EXAMPLE: 50% DoD (this is absolutely necessary)

3. Years and months of active duty EXAMPLE: 11 years and 3 months
Note: The creditable years of service (active duty equivalent) for a reserve calculation is determined by the sum of accumulated reserve points divided by 360.

4. VA compensation percentage and amount plus identify dependents by category and number EXAMPLE: 60% VA Compensation, $1600, Spouse and 6 children under 18

5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage (application was required). EXAMPLE: 70% CRSC

Provide ALL the info above and a computation will be provided.

Ron
 

Bribri0421

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Precise info is needed to offer a computation. A guess at DoD percentage will not do. See the following for info needed. I would be happy to provide an estimate.

The information associated with all of the five numbered items below is needed. Incomplete answers will preclude an accurate estimate. Each numbered item below is a factor in the CRSC calculation.

1. High three base pay average for retirement or your current DoD disability retirement gross found on page one of the DFAS RAS. Please indicate whether you are providing the high three average or the retirement gross found on the DFAS RAS. The high-36 method is the average of the highest 36 months of basic pay divided by 36. This is generally the last 3 years of service and is sometimes called high-3. EXAMPLE: High three average $3333 (or alternative: Gross Retired Pay on DFAS RAS $xxxx.xx)

2. DoD disability retirement percentage. EXAMPLE: 50% DoD (this is absolutely necessary)

3. Years and months of active duty EXAMPLE: 11 years and 3 months
Note: The creditable years of service (active duty equivalent) for a reserve calculation is determined by the sum of accumulated reserve points divided by 360.

4. VA compensation percentage and amount plus identify dependents by category and number EXAMPLE: 60% VA Compensation, $1600, Spouse and 6 children under 18

5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage (application was required). EXAMPLE: 70% CRSC

Provide ALL the info above and a computation will be provided.

Ron
Hi Ron! Thank you so much!!! Here is that info! (Took me a little bit to gather it!!)
  1. DOD disability retirement gross found DFAS RAS $1919.00
  2. DoD disability percentage is 40%
  3. 8 years, 11 days- so I’m guessing that’s just 8 years
  4. VA disability rating of 100%, 3139.67, with spouse and no children :(
  5. Approved CRSC is 90% from 1 Dec 2012 and 100% CRSC from 1 Sep 2013
 

RonG

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Hi Ron! Thank you so much!!! Here is that info! (Took me a little bit to gather it!!)
  1. DOD disability retirement gross found DFAS RAS $1919.00
  2. DoD disability percentage is 40%
  3. 8 years, 11 days- so I’m guessing that’s just 8 years
  4. VA disability rating of 100%, 3139.67, with spouse and no children :(
  5. Approved CRSC is 90% from 1 Dec 2012 and 100% CRSC from 1 Sep 2013
Glad to help...
  1. 1919/0.40 = 4798 high three
  2. Retired pay 1919 is totally waived due to 3139.67 VA Compensation offset
  3. 8 years x 0.025 = 20% multiplier
  4. 4798 high three x 0.20 = 959.60 dollar amount of longevity portion of retirement pay
  5. Item 4 is lower than the CRSC rates of 90% and 100% (which is in the VA Comp tables)
  6. CRSC = $959.60 based on info provided
Good luck,
Ron
 

Bribri0421

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Glad to help...
  1. 1919/0.40 = 4798 high three
  2. Retired pay 1919 is totally waived due to 3139.67 VA Compensation offset
  3. 8 years x 0.025 = 20% multiplier
  4. 4798 high three x 0.20 = 959.60 dollar amount of longevity portion of retirement pay
  5. Item 4 is lower than the CRSC rates of 90% and 100% (which is in the VA Comp tables)
  6. CRSC = $959.60 based on info provided
Good luck,
Ron
Wow! That’s awesome! Thank you so much for your help!!!! I’ll let you know how it goes!!! :)
 

RonG

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If retroactive CRSC is involved, it will be a bit less each month in prior years due to the COLA increases in most years.

Ron
 

rakksoldier

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I've been waiting over 4 months for my CRSC backpay. I received a letter on the 19th of November stating that it was in review and once complete DFAS would release the funds. I called yesterday and was told to wait 30 days from the time I received that letter to receive the backpay owed. So hopefully I'll get my pay next week. If not, then they said call back AGAIN for a status. Its been very frustrating but I've been continuously following up. They should know me by the sound of my voice by now...lol
 

Paul_Music

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It’s funny, if you owe dfas money they take it quick. If they owe you money, they look for every reason not to pay up. And then they take there time. They’ll be like, well when you were in 2nd grade you owed lunch money so $2.00 with 22% compound interest over 30 years you have a no pay due.
 

RonG

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It’s funny, if you owe dfas money they take it quick. If they owe you money, they look for every reason not to pay up. And then they take there time. They’ll be like, well when you were in 2nd grade you owed lunch money so $2.00 with 22% compound interest over 30 years you have a no pay due.
It is understandable veterans become frustrated and angry when they are not paid in a timely manner. Years ago, my wait times for retroactive VA compensation were:
—one year, VA caused
—two years, VA caused
—30 months, DFAS caused

However, the DFAS and the VA have no reason to purposely delay payments. What benefit would they receive?
Their processes might be flawed; some employees might perform to lower standards; or it might just be the large volume of cases they receive (which is most likely).

I hope you are paid soon.

Ron
 

Willywonka

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They said they’re closing for the end of year 1099 tax forms. If you don’t have it now you’re going to have to wait until next year.
 

RonG

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They said they’re closing for the end of year 1099 tax forms. If you don’t have it now you’re going to have to wait until next year.
That is odd.

It is not like decades ago when finance clerks manually typed W-2 Forms at the end of a calendar year (and computed the taxable income and taxes withheld). The process became automated long before I retired in 1991.

On the other hand, payments are taxable in the calendar year they are made available to the recipient. The DFAS cutoff for processing for a certain month is approximately 11 days before the EOM (the VA works the same). If DFAS made payments to retirees for retroactive entitlements during the period 20-31 December 2018 (approximately), a corrected 1099 would have to be generated. Perhaps that is the reason you were given that information, although I doubt they are actually "closing". If my hypothesis is accurate, that section of DFAS would continue to operate, but not generate taxable payments until after the first of the year.

Of course, CRSC is not taxable, but it does affect taxable retired pay. Normally, DFAS does not go back and recharacterize previously received CRDP (prior years); however, I personally experienced a same calendar year tax adjustment on my DFAS RAS where the taxable income was reduced back to January of the same year. Most Chapter 61 retirees are not eligible for CRDP, so this would not affect their pay. The same section/element of DFAS Retired Pay processes both CRDP and CRSC payments.

Thank you for your post; it interesting and a subject I had not seen previously. If someone learns more about this situation, I would be interested in hearing about it, as would many others.

Ron
 
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DweebyJamie

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Precise info is needed to offer a computation. A guess at DoD percentage will not do. See the following for info needed. I would be happy to provide an estimate.

The information associated with all of the five numbered items below is needed. Incomplete answers will preclude an accurate estimate. Each numbered item below is a factor in the CRSC calculation.

1. High three base pay average for retirement or your current DoD disability retirement gross found on page one of the DFAS RAS. Please indicate whether you are providing the high three average or the retirement gross found on the DFAS RAS. The high-36 method is the average of the highest 36 months of basic pay divided by 36. This is generally the last 3 years of service and is sometimes called high-3. EXAMPLE: High three average $3333 (or alternative: Gross Retired Pay on DFAS RAS $xxxx.xx)

2. DoD disability retirement percentage. EXAMPLE: 50% DoD (this is absolutely necessary)

3. Years and months of active duty EXAMPLE: 11 years and 3 months
Note: The creditable years of service (active duty equivalent) for a reserve calculation is determined by the sum of accumulated reserve points divided by 360.

4. VA compensation percentage and amount plus identify dependents by category and number EXAMPLE: 60% VA Compensation, $1600, Spouse and 6 children under 18

5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage (application was required). EXAMPLE: 70% CRSC

Provide ALL the info above and a computation will be provided.

Ron

Hey Ron,

Do you mind helping me figure out what the CRSC would be?

  1. Current disability gross is $1593.00, not paid due to VA waiver
  2. 50% DOD
  3. 11 years, 11 months,
  4. VA 90%, 2359.19, Spouse and 3 kids under 18
  5. Approved CRSC at 60% Apr-18-Oct 18, 80% Nov 18
 

RonG

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Hey Ron,

Do you mind helping me figure out what the CRSC would be?

  1. Current disability gross is $1593.00, not paid due to VA waiver
  2. 50% DOD
  3. 11 years, 11 months,
  4. VA 90%, 2359.19, Spouse and 3 kids under 18
  5. Approved CRSC at 60% Apr-18-Oct 18, 80% Nov 18
A. 1593/0.50 = 3186 high three
B. 11.916 yrs x 2.5% = 29.8 multiplier
C. 3186 x 29.8% = 949.43 longevity portion of retirement pay
D. All retired pay waived
E. Both 60% and 80% CRSC amounts are higher than item C
F. CRSC is ~949.43

The CRSC payable to a CH 61 retiree with less than 20 years is the LESSER of
—dollar amount of the longevity portion of retirement pay
OR
—dollar amount of the CRSC percentage approved by service—rates and amounts are found in the VA compensation tables.
Note: CRSC cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion or the retired pay.


Ron
 
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