Trying to Calculate Pays

Bronco9588

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#1
I have 7 years LOS. I am unfit TRDL. 60% DOD and 80% VA. About 5500 for my high 36. What should I expect from VA and DOD for financial planning purposes?

I am assuming:

DOD = 5500*.6 - VA table for 60%
VA = VA table for 80%

Is this correct?
 

bleacherspy

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#3
Assuming its just you and no spouse or kids...roughly...

DOD = $1743.87 (all taxable)
VA = 1556.13 (not taxable)

Total = 3300.00

Your computation is not correct due to the pay offset rules.
 

RonG

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#4
-$1,587.25 VA comp, Vet alone
-$5500 x 60% = $3300 less $1587.25 VA offset results in $1712.75 DoD residual retirement pay
--Total: 1587.25 VA + $1712.75 DoD residual = $3300 as bleacherspy indicated

If you have combat related disabilities, recommend you apply for CRSC.
 

Bronco9588

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#5
So the only benefit to higher VA is just more of it is tax free but they payout is the same?

CRSC would be a stretch as I am a submariner. Became diagnosed with T1D while doing a TLAM simulated strike, but that is a pretty big stretch.
 

Bronco9588

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#6
So the only benefit to higher VA is just more of it is tax free but they payout is the same?

I have the DTAP paperwork here that states: "Member will receive their authorized VA compensation but must waive an equivalent portion of their DOD entitlement. Only money for category 1 conditions is subtracted from the retirement check"

I guess I need to know the definition of a category 1 condition.

CRSC would be a stretch as I am a submariner. Became diagnosed with T1D while doing a TLAM simulated strike, but that is a pretty big stretch.
 

RonG

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#7
Chapter 61 retirees must waive retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received.

The VA compensation could be higher than the DoD disability retired pay; consequently, all retired pay would be waived and the full amount of the VA compensation would be received. So...the payout is not always the same.

To qualify for CRSC you must:

--be entitled to and/or receiving military retired pay
--be rated at least 10 percent by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs (VA)
--waive your VA pay from your retired pay
--file a CRSC application with your Branch of Service
Disabilities that may be considered combat related include injuries incurred as a direct result of:
  • Armed Conflict
  • Hazardous Duty
  • An Instrumentality of War
  • Simulated War
 

Bronco9588

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#8
1) understand that VA could exceed DOD benefit. I made too much with too little disability for that to happen. Am I quoting an old law or precident when it comes to category 1 conditions?

2) I think a reasonable human being is going to say there is no link between simulated war and the disease. Is there any precident for a surface or submarine officer to get CRSC? What is the best way to go about doing this? I have accepted findings and will be going PLD for 6 months. Moreover the NMA didn't state that it was combat related.
 

RonG

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#9
--Earlier you quoted, "[*]Member will receive their authorized VA compensation but must waive an equivalent portion of their DOD entitlement. [**]Only money for category 1 conditions is subtracted from the retirement check"
Comments:
* = That is accurate; Chapter 61 retirees must waive retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received. I receive VA compensation @ 100% and all of my regular retirement paid is waived. (It has been replaced by CRSC after approval by the Army.)

** = I have never heard of the term "category 1 conditions", but I am not a CH 61 retiree. However, whatever that statement means, it does not negate the waiver I mentioned above which is in accordance with law and it not a new one.

The Navy's CRSC website is at http://www.secnav.navy.mil/mra/CORB/pages/crscb/default.aspx

It discusses applications, FAQs, and other info. Questions can be presented to
Organizational E-mail:
[email protected]
 

Bronco9588

Registered Member
#10
Is there a precident for how a disease meets the Simulated War reqirement?

1) For example if a guy is running on a treadmil and he hurts himself while a ship was simulating a missile launch, would he qualify?
2) Same scenario, but now he gets a disease where the cause of the disease is unknown? Since the cause is unknown, it cannot be ruled out that the simulated missile strike which was already a simulation of war, caused the disease. This seems like a pretty big stretch but a potential argument.

... I dont know if I could live with myself making such a claim, but am more interested for curiocity's sake.
 

RonG

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#11

bleacherspy

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#12
Did the board say your disability was combat related as defined by Title 26 US Code and incurred in the line of duty? It should be in the additional findings of your PEB proceedings.

Its a stretch it to get T1D associated with simulated combat because the simulated combat did not directly cause your injuries. You can try to submit a package, but I'll take the under bet for it to get approved.

In your case it won't change your total monthly gross, but it would help with taxes. If your whole condition is rated as combat related, the DoD portion (1743.87) would not be taxable. As it stands right now, you'll be taxed on $20,926 of income. Assuming your single and take the standard deduction, your taxable income would be 8926 putting you in the 10% tax bracket where you'd pay 892 in tax. So CRSC gets you 892 more a year assuming that's your only income. Its a really basic analysis, but you get the idea.
 

RonG

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#14
Did you figure that high 3 is based on base pay.
High-3: If you entered active or reserve military service after September 7, 1980, your retired pay base is the average of the highest 36 months of basic pay. If you served less than three years, your base will be the average monthly active duty basic pay during your period of service.
 

RonG

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#16
So what's your rank.
The average of the highest 36 months of basic pay could involve multiple ranks, if that is what you are asking. In most cases, it is the total of the most recent 36 months basic pay divided by 36.

If you wanted an imprecise snapshot, you could take the base pay from a certain month of each of the past three years and divide the total by 3. Again, that would not be accurate, but "might be" close.

I assume you were not asking my former rank ("So what's your rank?).
 

LTArmy77

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#19
Can u help me as a 100% VA and 100 dod rating which all is combat related? I collect only high rank 0-2 medically discharged dod disability 100% and all my VA is waived. Am i still eligible for csrc? Whats the calculation ?
 

RonG

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#20
Can u help me as a 100% VA and 100 dod rating which all is combat related? I collect only high rank 0-2 medically discharged dod disability 100% and all my VA is waived. Am i still eligible for csrc? Whats the calculation ?
If I understand you correctly the following applies to you:
--Chapter 61 Retiree at pay grade O-2
--Rated at 100% VA
--Rated at 100% DoD (75% is max payable)
--You have waived retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of your VA compensation

Important: If you declined VA compensation to continue to receive all your DoD retirement, then you are not eligible for CRSC.

Computation of Chapter 61 CRSC is not a matter of just looking at chart.

IF you are waiving your DoD retired pay as discussed above, please provide the following:

1. High three base pay average for retirement or your current DoD disability retirement gross found on page one of the DFAS RAS. Please indicate whether you are providing the high three average or the retirement gross found on the DFAS RAS.

2. DoD disability retirement percentage. (100%)

3. Years and months of active duty EXAMPLE: 11 years and 3 months

4. VA compensation percentage (100%) and amount plus identify dependents by category and number EXAMPLE: 60% VA Compensation, $1600, Spouse and 6 children under 18

5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage (application was required).
 
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