USAF CRSC standards different than BCMR

[RetiredColonel-MikeT]

Also, for a few of my other injuries..I struggle with this whole documentation thing.. I had leadership that would not even allow us to go to medical…even right after I had 750+ pounds dropped on top of me. My wrist was shattered and instead they looked at it said “man, that looks broken” and then when I asked to go to medical they said “no there’s a red ball in *(aircraft #)* you need to go take care of that instead. Or they would tell us we had to put down a different way we were injured. And then there were even times when we were in the middle of nowhere with no medical to even go to. So documentation is pretty rough. I don’t know if that’s typical of the flightline mentality in general but that was my experience.

I thoroughly despise leadership that doesn't take care of their troops, even if a "redball" was inbound, you should have been outbound immediately following at the latest. But that's just me. Holler if you need some help reviewing anything or if you need to ping any questions. Also, the link to my CRSC page is below, currently over 2k members in just over a year so I'd say it's legit at this point We do our best to help all branches.

 

[BDCarrillo]

Anyday- I suffer the same on documentation, as being embedded with Army bubbas and having a Specialist Medic (not knocking them, just stating) as the only medical type for a hundred miles in any direction with zero computer access really limited reporting and documentation. My particular "Instrumentality" condition is a hip and knee injury from a fall egressing an MRAP. MEB process started about 7 years after that.

 

[Anyday]

I thoroughly despise leadership that doesn't take care of their troops, even if a "redball" was inbound, you should have been outbound immediately following at the latest. But that's just me. Holler if you need some help reviewing anything or if you need to ping any questions. Also, the link to my CRSC page is below, currently over 2k members in just over a year so I'd say it's legit at this point We do our best to help all branches.ktseems

I thoroughly despise leadership that doesn't take care of their troops, even if a "redball" was inbound, you should have been outbound immediately following at the latest. But that's just me. Holler if you need some help reviewing anything or if you need to ping any questions. Also, the link to my CRSC page is below, currently over 2k members in just over a year so I'd say it's legit at this point We do our best to help all branches.

It seems like it is quite the lost cause considering there is no “initial documentation” correct? It seems like that is a common occurrence for people. Just wondering if you think it would still stand a chance considering all the surgeons can tell it is a crush injury (from 750+ pounds) so maybe possible considering that it is not just a case of possible “normal wear and tear” or is it completely unlikely? Just looking for thoughts, I know you can not say for certain.

 

[Anyday]

Anyday- I suffer the same on documentation, as being embedded with Army bubbas and having a Specialist Medic (not knocking them, just stating) as the only medical type for a hundred miles in any direction with zero computer access really limited reporting and documentation. My particular "Instrumentality" condition is a hip and knee injury from a fall egressing an MRAP. MEB process started about 7 years after that.

May I ask how you were able to get it considered, especially years after the injury without the “initial medical documentation” cause that seems to be a common wall people hit when applying.

 

[RetiredColonel-MikeT]

It seems like it is quite the lost cause considering there is no “initial documentation” correct? It seems like that is a common occurrence for people. Just wondering if you think it would still stand a chance considering all the surgeons can tell it is a crush injury (from 750+ pounds) so maybe possible considering that it is not just a case of possible “normal wear and tear” or is it completely unlikely? Just looking for thoughts, I know you can not say for certain.

I can't say for every branch, but I can say for the Army they do, on occasion, consider wartime leadership statement(s) or corroboration of the event(s) that occurred. Army would be the wartime 1SG or Company Commander, they don't even have to be on the spot when it happened, they just need to acknowledge they were aware of what happened and the degree of the injuries. I know, it's a long shot but I have had some success on some of the cases I assisted with.

 

[BDCarrillo]

May I ask how you were able to get it considered, especially years after the injury without the “initial medical documentation” cause that seems to be a common wall people hit when applying.

All of my conditions have been flat out denied for CRSC, and that's about the extent of consideration afforded so far. I do need to submit the CAB for reconsideration on MH conditions as it was not part of my Air Force records at the time of my first CRSC application.

 

[RetiredColonel-MikeT]

All of my conditions have been flat out denied for CRSC, and that's about the extent of consideration afforded so far. I do need to submit the CAB for reconsideration on MH conditions as it was not part of my Air Force records at the time of my first CRSC application.

That *should* give you a well-deserved boost in your favor, however, we are talking AF and who knows what kind of hair across the ass someone might have that you didn't convert that to an AFCAM, because we all know those people are out there - grrr

 

[Anyday]

That *should* give you a well-deserved boost in your favor, however, we are talking AF and who knows what kind of hair across the ass someone might have that you didn't convert that to an AFCAM, because we all know those people are out there - grrr

My MH condition was denied and I had the AFCAM and documentation of the things I did and saw overseas…and was even hospitalized for inpatient treatment for it, and then also multiple outpatient treatments… still denied. But best of luck to you!

 

[BDCarrillo]

My MH condition was denied and I had the AFCAM and documentation of the things I did and saw overseas…and was even hospitalized for inpatient treatment for it, and then also multiple outpatient treatments… still denied. But best of luck to you!

I am not surprised at all. What was the reasoning/response in their denial? Lack of causal relationship? Lack of a nexus event? Lack of objective evidence ("patient states X")?