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Two YEARS ago, I wrote the President of Webster University a 2-page letter exposing this issue of their overseas GI Bill subsistence pay being BELOW the overseas subsidy for other American OCONUS schools in the same country. I also CC'ed a copy to the Dean of Admissions and Finance.This needs to be addressed more. Webster University only needs to hire a verifying official in order to raise the the monthly stipend to even par with other overseas schools. This is from the schools mouth directly.
What you have written is exactly one of the points that is a troublesome issue for Veterans and the GI Bill.I have been accepted into 7 schools overseas, Webster being one of the 7. I may just attend one of the others to
Complete another bachelor's, then back to webster for the MBA. At least that way, I don't lose 300 a month in the stipend. That could almost pay for Master's degree over the course of a year!
Look at the Thailand schools and then webster thailand. Webster gets the full VA rate and yellow ribbon backing, you get shorted 1509 to 1284 a month. I will have to attend summer school just to stay a float!
Dear inpain2424:I agree with your post. My situation is slightly different. Thailand has a lower total cost of living and pending tricare, I could just get by. I know that sounds terrible, but with conditions thats possibly respond better to warmer weather and therapeutic massage being cheap; this could be my only route to start. Yes, Webster is getting over big time and yes they know it. With a simple hire, the problem is fixed. Again, I have spoken directly with the St Louis VA rep school rep and the Thailand staff. If a verifying offical was there, win win. They simply refuse to hire one. I know for some, ranking matter, for me trying to heal is most important.
If I may, I'd like to add some information about Thailand here for you to consider.
If after this read, you wish further information, PM me with your email addy and I will give you specific names and other information for you to pursue.
For other reasons not posted on this website, I also declined Webster U at Hua Hin, Thailand. My decision was based on more than just the reduction of the "Big" overseas subsistence.
I have travelled all over SE Asia and have literally visited and stayed in many regions throughout Thailand.
I offer up for your consideration the area of Thailand up in the North - a city called Chiang Mai.
And a school up there called Payap University.
The Admissions Director/Recruiter is actually a retired US Veteran (AF I think), and there are over a dozen US Vets attending Payap Universty in Chiang Mai, Thailand, using many of the various GI Bill education programs.
Payap also pays the full overseas stipend rate - something Webster U down in Hua Hin, Thailand doesn't do.
Just so you know, Warren Buffet, one of THE richest American men in the world, owns one of many homes around the world. One of his homes just happens to be in the Chiang Mai area.
He (or his business/corporate money did) contributed nearly 20 Million US dollars to help fund/build a state-of-the-art hospital up there, too.
This region of Chiang Mai and the next neighboring big city of Chiang Rai (about an hours drive by car) is well-known for it Universities of Sciences, Technology, and Medicine (both Eastern and Western schools of thought and training). There are several hospitals and clinics of all types in this city of Chiang Mai. And many Thai colleges and universities, too.
https://www.google.com/maps/search/list of major hospitals in chiang firstname.lastname@example.org,98.9980745,14z/data=!3m1!4b1
Anyway, Payap University is a school worthy of consideration. It's small, but well funded, English speaking (and Thai, too, if you want to learn) and Veteran friendly.
Chiang Mai has an international airport, too - so direct flights to many countries and to other major hub cities are easily available to you.
This area also has a large, international ex-pat community - and a vibrant and active one, too. And as such, the goods and services that many international ex-pats need and use are affordable and accessible to this population group.
I'm not trying to change your mind - just putting this stuff out there for your consideration - if you haven't already.
I've personally been and travelled to both the Hua Hin region and the Chiang Mai region. And of course, each area has its own "flavor". For me, my preference is the Chiang Mai region. It has a much more deep and diverse cultural texture of time running through it.
Anywho, if you'd like more information, PM me with your email addy and I'll be happy to turn you on to additional resources.
My short list has a couple other places on it as well (outside of Thailand), and I'd be happy to share all I know.
But I do have Payap University in Chiang Mai, Thailand on my short list.
Here is a website that lists many different countries that have college and university branch locations outside their national borders.
Under the column "Home Country", look for the words "United States". That row of information will tell you:
the name of that US school
the country that US school's branch campus is located in
a thumbnail of data about that foreign branch
a website link to that campus (if available)
This website data is quickly researchable if you know what country you'd like to study in (this web listing is alphabetized by country location of branch campus). If you know what country you'd like to study in, look under the alphabetized column named "Host Country"
Again, it lists many nations that have branch campuses outside their borders. So look to make sure it says United States in the "Home Country" column if you are intent upon only studying at a US overseas branch campus.
This website IS updated every 3-6 months.
Now, armed with the above website, you can then start your cross referencing and dig a little deeper.
There's the WEAMS website from the VA that has a listing of all approved GI Bill schools from around the world.
Here you go:
You can search by country or search by school name.
Another good website is the VA's GI Bill Comparison tool. It doesn't always have the tuition and fees schedule for the school listed in their data base, so you have to go to the school's website and dig that up so you can put it into the data base box on this site.
OK. That's the best, fastest, and easiest three websites I've found that together will give me specific target information on the names of US colleges that have branch locations outside the USA
AND are VA approved.
Now the rest of it is on you to figure out. Like:
What degree programs are offered at that location? Majors and Minors?
Are they US accredited? Host nation accredited? Dually accredited?
Does this location offer Undergraduate degrees? Graduate? Post-Graduate?
Tuition and fees costs (some schools give you a choice of paying in USD or Euros or Thai Baht or whatever).
Here's an exchange rate calculator so you can get an estimate of US Dollar value
exchange rate calculator
Term start and end dates - quarters? semesters? other?
(Remember, the VA GI Bill financial school year begins 01 AUG and ends 31 JUL. Not all countries start and end date their school terms like the VA and the USA does).
Is there a school "dress code"? (I'm serious - some schools have & do enforce a conservative, business casual dress code).
Hope this helps anyone out there that has retired from military service with Tricare and wants to use their GI Bill to study someplace OCONUS and outside our Territories.
The University of Guam is another place to consider as it is still part of the USA, is USA accredited, has military bases for Commissary, PX/BX, has military and civilian hospital. And the Hawaii VA is in charge of the medical there (or is it the GI Bill section?) Can't remember now other than there is a connection to the VA and Hawaii. Tricare is good there - so is Medicare.
OH. And the GI Bill living/housing subsidy for full-time students in Guam is 2,450 a month - tax free of course.
And they have a TON of degree programs to choose from!
It's a bit cooler up in the North as there are mountains up there. It's still very warm - just not as sticky hot as it can be in the lower elevations.Yeah, when I go I stay on the outskirts of the city. I also travel down to chonburi close to pattaya. I hope to tour Chiang Mai and Phuket on my next trip. Hua Hin is not bad either!
Chiang Mai looks very awesome too... im so torn between Bankok and Chiang Mai!It's a bit cooler up in the North as there are mountains up there. It's still very warm - just not as sticky hot as it can be in the lower elevations.
Waterfalls, lots of local tribes, farmers, elephant rescue centers, ancient ruins & garden parks.
Just a slightly different flavor in the North than in the South.
It's a good place to go when you want to get away from it all (the big city).
Well, enjoy yourself.
There's so much to see and experience over there.
Send us a postcard!
First let me say how impressed I am with your information and attention to detail. Very helpful for this up and coming life transition I will be going through. A little back story on me. I am 35, was in the US Navy for 11 years and now work at Samsung Austin Semiconductor as a Equipment Engineering Technician. I have decided to pursue an education using the P-9/11 GI bill in Thailand at Mahidol University. My logic was based off of a simple ratio: Cost of living to prestigious education earned. I have so many questions and i see how knowledgable you are so I was hoping for your advice. Maybe its best if I just put my questions down in number format?
1. If you were in my shoes, could go anywhere, (single) where would you go for the best ratio of cost of living to prestigious education earned (I know not all institutions are equal)? What would be your top lists for the best utilization of your GI bill while being able to sustain with no job so I can immerse myself properly in my studies which is in agreeance to what you have previously stated.
2. I read the part that you spoke of going to school in Paris.
"I found ONE US College that has a location in Paris AND Berlin (and other places around the world and within the US, too). It offers a very limited selection of undergraduate and graduate degree programs. But if you want to major in psychology or business or a few other majors, this may be an excellent college for you to consider as it is affordable and pays a "LIVING STIPEND". PLUS, if you attend this school at their Paris or Berlin location as a full-time student under the Post 9/11 GI Bill, you are eligible to receive OVER 2 1/2 TIMES THE MONTHLY STIPEND RATE AS WHAT WEBSTER UNIVERSITY CAN GIVE at ANY of their overseas locations."
Was wondering what you thought of that school and the great stipend?
3. What would you suggest for medical coverage? I am not retired, and have %40 service connected dissability so I do not have tricare. If you don't have an idea, don't worry, I will do my own research and try to figure it out.
4. "SE Asia is where I need to go right now. (I have a crazy plan up my sleeve and I need to have a 3-stage plan for the next 10 years). My education is phase I of III." This statement of your intrigues me to no end... I would like to emulate your plan im thinking! May I know your plans for world domination?! Is it similar as I have planned? Chiang Mai Thailand? Im guessing off of $1509 being enough to live on, especially if you have monthly disability income on top.
"(I had ed debt 20 years ago and it took me 10 years to pay it off. NEVER AGAIN!)" I am just getting over the same thing... Never ever again will I be so foolish...
5. I want to study for my BA in International Business Management with a definite plan for a MBA after. How do i find out if Mahidol University is US accredited or dually accredited? Should I be worried that after all the schooling, coming back to the states, my degree would not hold enough weight? I was thinking of doing my B.B.A in Thailand, then my MBA in the states.
Hopefully this is not too much, I have done non stop research for the past 2 months and still am seeking more information! Thanks a ton!