What do I do next? IG, Congress, Art. 138, nothing?

jdlancas519

Registered Member
#1
So, I'm hurt, have an LOD, 2 Doc memos asking for an extension, and 2 7574-1s (unfit for duty mil and civ). I'm not getting any responses from my Com. Commander. My BDE Commander has made the decision I don't get ADME orders. I also just emailed some Recovery Care Coordinators at the 88 RSC. I don't know what they do or can do. What do I do next? This is depressing, I'm a bit heated... I need a level headed Course of Action. I don't know if I am in the wrong.
My email:
BDE Commander,

I hope you are doing well. I was CCed on an email from SFC XXXXX that you have made a medical determination that my condition doesn't require ADME orders (attached emails). I believe in accordance with DoDi 1241.01 (paragraph 3a(2)) that I should have been retained on active duty (ADME). I have included 2 memos for an ADME extension and 2 7574-1s (unfit for military duty). I spoke with MAJXXXXXX (Company Commander) and he said he would look into it, but I haven't heard back. I'm sure the coming AT has him quite busy.

Please write me back and let me know what decisions have been made about me, and if there is a reason I was not informed. I want ADME orders in order to have the best possible care. The surgeon wanted to do a Bicep Tenodesis, but we decided to delay surgery until I've escalated the issue. In the very least INCAP Tier 1 should have been initiated. Thank you for your time and assistance.

v/r,

Me

Response:

You are not required to be on orders to receive the medical care you need according to my understanding therefore you will not be placed on orders. Use the chain of command to pursue medical RMAs. HHC can assist you.


Best Regards,

BDE Commander
 

poohbear331

PEB Forum Veteran
Registered Member
#2
I don't know the answer but just reading the first line of the email "that you have made a medical determination"
sarcasm- is your BDE Commander a physician?
 

jdlancas519

Registered Member
#3
He is not a physician... And that was the point. My orthopedic surgeon requested I stay on orders and my bde commander stopped that because he doesn't think my treatment requires it... He says my medical requirements Don't require Care other than rmas... He has decided this by not letting me submit a adme packet
 

poohbear331

PEB Forum Veteran
Registered Member
#4
what does the BDE surgeon say?
what about the treating physician (active duty)-what is their opinion- does this "need to be fixed"
 

jdlancas519

Registered Member
#5
We don't have a BDE Surgeon. The Active Duty doctor has put what he intends to do in the memorandums i submitted. Something must have changed in the last 24 hours since they are now moving. They are trying to push me to take INCAP pay because they say USARC will most likely deny the orders... IDK.
 

poohbear331

PEB Forum Veteran
Registered Member
#6
From reading other threads -you got hurt on orders and are entitled to incap pay. Orders- if surgeon says the has to be don (necessary) they " shouldn't" deny orders

Others are more knowledgeable in this area
 

FloridaInjuredInCombat

PEB Forum Veteran
Registered Member
#7
Best advice I can give is to google search, download DA PAM 135-381 (INCAP), read it over, and pay special attention to both Soldier and Unit Responsibilities.

The way it is "supposed" to work when you incur an LOD injury as a Reserve Component Soldier that prevents you from either working your Civilian Job or performing drill a set of things are set in motion.
(A) you receive immediate medical treatment if needed, at government expense.
(B) command initiates an LOD investigation, and you are BRIEFED on INCAP (something that rarely happens).
(C) you FORMALLY REQUEST INCAP through your Unit CO.
(D) unit then has 10 days to process your request and send it to the Office of the State Surgeon (OTSS)
(E) OTSS must process your INCAP claim and INITIATE INCAP PAY within the FIRST 30 DAYS of your INITIAL REQUEST FOR INCAP PAY.
(F) AS YOU'RE BEING PAID, the LOD investigation continues to completion.
(G) IF the LOD investigation in found to NOT be in the Line of Duty, YOU MUST PAY BACK THE INCAP PAY (Recoupment).
(H) This (A through G) covers you for the FIRST SIX MONTHS, after that the process goes to NGB (if you're Guard) where they decide to continue or stop INCAP.

That's the way it's supposed to happen... Here's what I've seen go wrong.
- Units either fail to inform Soldiers of INCAP, or they tell them there's "no money for it" or just flat out refuse to process the claim.
- State SITS on the INCAP claim IGNORING the NLT 30 days to initiate pay requirement, often demanding the LOD be done first, which often is NEVER completed.
- State uses ANY and ALL excuses to DELAY, DENY, STOP, or INTERRUPT both INCAP pay and medical care.
- Soldiers get frustrated and eventually are quietly encouraged to process out without benefits.

The latest underhanded thing, I've run across a PPT from the Army Reserve Command (I'll have to track it down and upload it for you tomorrow) that uses the omission of the NLT 30 days for INCAP pay safeguard that WAS in DOD 1241.2 (dated 2001) but left out of DOD 1241.01 (2016) to INTENTIONALLY and as POLICY make the Soldier wait WITHOUT INCAP pay until the entire LOD process is complete and THEN make them wait for a longer protracted INCAP review process. Meaning they INTENTIONALLY and as POLICY are now delaying INCAP pay anywhere from 8 months to a year or more, before the Incapacitated Soldier ever sees a dime of INCAP pay. Wrong beyond words.

That's pretty discouraging, but until they flat out tell you that the new (above) policy is in effect, work of the INTENT written into the Regs (AR 135-381) and DA PAM 135-381. In other words DON'T TELL THEM that the HQ wants to screw you.

Since you already have your LOD (which is great) and already have a couple 7574-1's (also great), I suggest you FORMALLY REQUEST INCAP through your unit CO. Keep in mind, mentioning you're due INCAP is not the same thing as FORMALLY REQUESTING it.

Pretty simple, write an E-mail (For record and time/date stamp) to your Unit CO. Reference DA PAM 135-381, and note it outlines Unit Repsonsiblities (including the 10 days the unit has to process your INCAP claim and get it to OTSS / State). Don't forget to say the words "I FORMALLY REQUEST INCAP PAY". Include a copy of your LOD approved, and the 7574-1's. Also, state your financial situation being unable to work due to the LOD injury severely impacts yourself and YOUR FAMILY. That OFFICIALLY puts your CO on notice that the clock is ticking and the ball is IN his court.

After that, it's a WAR OF WILLS. Politely but persistently keep tracking your unit's progress, and IF they refuse to do it, or are dragging beyond the 10 days they are allowed, seriously consider filing an IG Complaint with your State. They MAY come back with the aforementioned BS from AR-HRC, if they do, then it's time to get Congressional help, but DON'T MENTION that BS if they don't.

This "Should" get the ball rolling. Constant pressure was the key to my success, but it took EVERY BIT of patience I had. Fight and land punches, but then take a break from it, and find something to get your mind right. Too many get wrapped up and frustrated, take a breath when you have to.

I hope this helps, and I'll get that power point uploaded so you can see what the SOB's are trying to pull.

One more thing, IF you're injured to the point you might not be able to stay in the military, you should be entered into the IDES (integrated disability evaluation system) for a SSMRB (State Surgeon medical review board), MEB (medical evaluaton board), and PEB (physical evalution board), with the end goal of either Medical Separation or Medical Retirement, both with pay and benifits. DON'T LET THEM RUN OUT THE CLOCK ON YOUR ETS OR ADMIN DISCHARGE YOU, CHEATING YOU OUT OF BENEFITS DUE. If that's the case, we've got more to talk about....
 

FloridaInjuredInCombat

PEB Forum Veteran
Registered Member
#8
INCAP Pay if you're unable to perform your military duties (drill) is equivalent to FULL Active Duty pay, including BAH and BAS. IMHO it's a better option than being put on orders for the RC (Guard or Reserves), since they tend to NOT give you any housing or subsistence allowance, and you don't have to sit in the armory all day unable to work.

If you're able to drill but can't work in your civilian job, your INCAP pay should reimburse you for lost wages UP TO but NOT OVER what your Active Duty pay would have been. I'm not sure if that includes BAH and BAS, since I wasn't in that category, I was not able to attend drill (unfit for military duties on the 7574-1's).

Last but not least, IF you're receiving any VA disability benefits for the same injury. It USED TO BE that such funds were offset (taken from) the INCAP pay. It was NEVER allowed to do this by Law, and recently (last year or two) both the DOD and and Secatary of the Army put out word to the effect to NOT offset VA disability from INCAP pay. So you get to keep BOTH.

Hope this helps...
 

MLopezEsq

Registered Member
#9
Best advice I can give is to google search, download DA PAM 135-381 (INCAP), read it over, and pay special attention to both Soldier and Unit Responsibilities.

The way it is "supposed" to work when you incur an LOD injury as a Reserve Component Soldier that prevents you from either working your Civilian Job or performing drill a set of things are set in motion.
(A) you receive immediate medical treatment if needed, at government expense.
(B) command initiates an LOD investigation, and you are BRIEFED on INCAP (something that rarely happens).
(C) you FORMALLY REQUEST INCAP through your Unit CO.
(D) unit then has 10 days to process your request and send it to the Office of the State Surgeon (OTSS)
(E) OTSS must process your INCAP claim and INITIATE INCAP PAY within the FIRST 30 DAYS of your INITIAL REQUEST FOR INCAP PAY.
(F) AS YOU'RE BEING PAID, the LOD investigation continues to completion.
(G) IF the LOD investigation in found to NOT be in the Line of Duty, YOU MUST PAY BACK THE INCAP PAY (Recoupment).
(H) This (A through G) covers you for the FIRST SIX MONTHS, after that the process goes to NGB (if you're Guard) where they decide to continue or stop INCAP.

That's the way it's supposed to happen... Here's what I've seen go wrong.
- Units either fail to inform Soldiers of INCAP, or they tell them there's "no money for it" or just flat out refuse to process the claim.
- State SITS on the INCAP claim IGNORING the NLT 30 days to initiate pay requirement, often demanding the LOD be done first, which often is NEVER completed.
- State uses ANY and ALL excuses to DELAY, DENY, STOP, or INTERRUPT both INCAP pay and medical care.
- Soldiers get frustrated and eventually are quietly encouraged to process out without benefits.

The latest underhanded thing, I've run across a PPT from the Army Reserve Command (I'll have to track it down and upload it for you tomorrow) that uses the omission of the NLT 30 days for INCAP pay safeguard that WAS in DOD 1241.2 (dated 2001) but left out of DOD 1241.01 (2016) to INTENTIONALLY and as POLICY make the Soldier wait WITHOUT INCAP pay until the entire LOD process is complete and THEN make them wait for a longer protracted INCAP review process. Meaning they INTENTIONALLY and as POLICY are now delaying INCAP pay anywhere from 8 months to a year or more, before the Incapacitated Soldier ever sees a dime of INCAP pay. Wrong beyond words.

That's pretty discouraging, but until they flat out tell you that the new (above) policy is in effect, work of the INTENT written into the Regs (AR 135-381) and DA PAM 135-381. In other words DON'T TELL THEM that the HQ wants to screw you.

Since you already have your LOD (which is great) and already have a couple 7574-1's (also great), I suggest you FORMALLY REQUEST INCAP through your unit CO. Keep in mind, mentioning you're due INCAP is not the same thing as FORMALLY REQUESTING it.

Pretty simple, write an E-mail (For record and time/date stamp) to your Unit CO. Reference DA PAM 135-381, and note it outlines Unit Repsonsiblities (including the 10 days the unit has to process your INCAP claim and get it to OTSS / State). Don't forget to say the words "I FORMALLY REQUEST INCAP PAY". Include a copy of your LOD approved, and the 7574-1's. Also, state your financial situation being unable to work due to the LOD injury severely impacts yourself and YOUR FAMILY. That OFFICIALLY puts your CO on notice that the clock is ticking and the ball is IN his court.

After that, it's a WAR OF WILLS. Politely but persistently keep tracking your unit's progress, and IF they refuse to do it, or are dragging beyond the 10 days they are allowed, seriously consider filing an IG Complaint with your State. They MAY come back with the aforementioned BS from AR-HRC, if they do, then it's time to get Congressional help, but DON'T MENTION that BS if they don't.

This "Should" get the ball rolling. Constant pressure was the key to my success, but it took EVERY BIT of patience I had. Fight and land punches, but then take a break from it, and find something to get your mind right. Too many get wrapped up and frustrated, take a breath when you have to.

I hope this helps, and I'll get that power point uploaded so you can see what the SOB's are trying to pull.

One more thing, IF you're injured to the point you might not be able to stay in the military, you should be entered into the IDES (integrated disability evaluation system) for a SSMRB (State Surgeon medical review board), MEB (medical evaluaton board), and PEB (physical evalution board), with the end goal of either Medical Separation or Medical Retirement, both with pay and benifits. DON'T LET THEM RUN OUT THE CLOCK ON YOUR ETS OR ADMIN DISCHARGE YOU, CHEATING YOU OUT OF BENEFITS DUE. If that's the case, we've got more to talk about....
I’d really love to talk to you. I’m dealing with these exact issues to a heinous degree and it’s absolutely unreal to me - as an attorney but even more devastating as a family Member.
 

MLopezEsq

Registered Member
#10
I’d really love to talk to you. I’m dealing with these exact issues to a heinous degree and it’s absolutely unreal to me - as an attorney but even more devastating as a family Member.
I’m a veteran social security disability attorney with tons of hours of training for VA but not as much experience with VA cases.
 

Army_PSYOP_1SG

Registered Member
#11
@jdlancas519,
I am an Army Reserve 1SG going through the LOD and INCAP process. I injured my right knee while on 23 day ADT orders. Reading your initial posting you mentioned that you have a LOD or DA 2173. I take it that you are near a military treatment facility as you have been seen by a military doctor and that doctor is requesting surgery. I had braces, surgery, and now going through physical therapy all paid for and coordinated by the Army. I have not been at work since September 18, 2017. AR 135-381 (INCAP for Guard and Reserve Soldiers) says if you are within 50 miles of a MTF, then that MTF has to provide your care. In my case I am within the 50 miles and I receive my care at the nearest military hospital. To your discretion you can ask the MTF to refer you to a civilian doctor to perform your surgery and to take care of any follow-ups with additional specialists. However, very important, you'll need request an authorization/referral through the MTF to see an in-network/non-network Tricare doctor from the Tricare website. This is a must! The MTF will be your primary care manager. It is good to already have a specialist in-network specialist from the Tricare directory in mind so that way you can tell them at time of the request. In order to insure your bills will be paid through Tricare whether seeking treatment through the MTF or authorized civilian provider referred by the MTF, you'll need to register yourself in their hospital system by going to the BCAC office Beneficiary Counseling and Assistance Coordinator. They will assist you in registering your in their system, providing care, and advising on how to get your bills paid. You can go to https://tricare.mil/bcacdcao. Ensure to tell them that you are a reservist needing LOD care. I am surprised the military doctor that you seen did not inform you of such.

If you are outside a 50 mile radius or not near a MTF then all of your medical care needs to be requested through MEDCHART system in the LOD section. You or your unit will need to go to DHA website(Defense Health Agency) and fill out worksheet 1 and worksheet 2 (can be uploaded at the same time) and submit in MEDCHART along with all your supporting documentation. This is only if you live outside a 50 mile radius or not near a MTF. All of your care will be coordinated by DHA through this website https://health.mil/GreatLakes. They will generate all your authorization/referrals. So again if you have a doctor you want to see and they are in the Tricare network/non-network directory then make sure whomever is entering your information into MEDCHART notate such. Otherwise they will send you to some random doctor. They will not pay your bill if you did not seek a referral for the needed services.

INCAP Process
In order for you to claim INCAP pay, you first need a LOD investigation initiated to determine if your injury was incurred in the line of duty and was not due to negligence or misconduct. In order for you to do this all Army Reserve and National Guard units has to have their UA or designated person to enter all supporting documentation to include doctor's medical notes from your initial visits and any subsequent visits thereafter in a system called MEDCHART in the LOD section (VERY IMPORTANT). Once entered into the system, your company commander has to digitally sign and approve this action in that system. It then gets routed to your respective RSC Health Services Department for review. The regulation says the determination should take 30 days but that depends on what their workload is like. Once approved you'll receive an official memo stating that the Army Reserve Command concurs that your injury happened in the line of duty. The DA 2173 and this memo is needed to start your INCAP claim in the MEDCHART system under the INCAP section. Should they deny your LOD then all medical treatments will cease and you'll been the hook for continued care. Receiving INCAP pay requires a lot of documents. You'll need to be seen at least once a month by the doctor in the month you are claiming lost income in order to be paid. You cannot be working your civilian job and you have to be deem not fit for military duty and/or not fit for civilian duty per the 2 7574-1 that you have. Now either have to deemed fit for military duty and not fit for civilian duty or not fit for military duty and civilian duty. Either way you cannot work your civilian job or attend battle assemblies if not fit for military duty. Other documents needed are(at minimum if applicable):
-7574 (completed every month: has to be dated after the last day of the month that you are trying to claim)
-7574-2 (completed every month: has to be dated after the last day of the month that you are trying to claim)
-Commander's Memo (completed every month: has to be dated after the last day of the month that you are trying to claim)
-all doctors notes to include x-ray reports and MRI reports if available (provide monthly)
-W-2 forms or last years tax returns
-pay stubs from your job for that month(if you some income for that month they'll deduct that amount from your military INCAP pay)
-civilian job description
-military treatment plan from civilian or military doctor(for the recovery time and dates have your doctor to either list the maximum recover period or say unknown, otherwise you'll have to have it updated if the months you are attempting to claim fall outside the months your doctor indicates)

88th RSC INCAP/LOD POC:
[email protected]

ADME Orders
NO ONE can deny you from wanting to go on active duty for treatment, not even your BN Commander. It is not left up to him. You'll need to submit an application to go on orders (preferred route; I wished I would have taken this route because the INCAP pay process takes months before you are paid). I have attached what you need. I am in the 81st RSC region but the process is the same for all RSCs. For both programs, you need a military profile. Its a simple form that you and your doctor needs to fill out and then you'll need to email that form to the Army Reserves Medical Command. Profiles can only be granted for 90 days. So 14 days before 90 days expires from your previous profile you'll need to submit another profile request. No supporting medical documentation is needed to be submitted other than your 2173. It normally takes about 2-3 days for them to issue you a profile and they will email you when its available in MEDPROS. If you are unable to access MEDPROS have someone at your unit to forward it to you.
Attached you will find the ADME/MRP2 packet and checklist. Please note the first page is Form 8 (you will not use this form). You will use Form 4, and complete all that applies on the checklist. I have also attached a fillable DA FM 4187, ensure that either ADME/MRP2 is circled. Commander's
memo(indicated as Unit Cover Letter on checklist...same thing) must be on Unit Letterhead. The Soldier needs to have a current Treatment Care Plan (on the attending Physician/medical office letterhead), Profile for the condition and an approved LOD uploaded in MEDCHART(can be submitted prior to approval of LOD determination). Upon completion of the packet, submit packet in one (1) pdf file, with the
checklist being the first document, to the respective mailbox below.

Forward WTU Entry Packets to:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Army Profile
You'll need to fill out the first two forms. Ignore the 3rd form, MEDCOM 756, and have your doctor to fill out the last forms (SF 600). Again, no supporting documentation is needed. If they need any additional information they will email you. If you need another 90 day profile in the future then you only have to submit SF 600. You can send from your civilian email. Email to the Army Reserves Medical Command using the following example:
Email completed documentation to usarmy.usarc.usarc‐[email protected]
a. SUBJECT LINE: “Profile Request”, Last name, First name and Last 4 of SSN
example- PROFILE REQUEST: Snuffy, Joe 1234

Lastly,
If you can take care of stuff yourself then I would advise you to do so. Make sure you follow directions very closely and do not miss a step. Most units do not know of this process and they will screw you. Now you cannot have access to the MEDCHART system so I would stay on whomever in your unit to make sure they are looking out for you. You can email the 88th RSC ADME/WTU and the 88th RSC INCAP/LOD POCs for more information. Feel free to file an IG complaint or congressional if things are moving slowly. Let me know if you need any additional assistance. I have access to MEDCHART and can check your progress if needed.
 

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MLopezEsq

Registered Member
#12
@jdlancas519,
I am an Army Reserve 1SG going through the LOD and INCAP process. I injured my right knee while on 23 day ADT orders. Reading your initial posting you mentioned that you have a LOD or DA 2173. I take it that you are near a military treatment facility as you have been seen by a military doctor and that doctor is requesting surgery. I had braces, surgery, and now going through physical therapy all paid for and coordinated by the Army. I have not been at work since September 18, 2017. AR 135-381 (INCAP for Guard and Reserve Soldiers) says if you are within 50 miles of a MTF, then that MTF has to provide your care. In my case I am within the 50 miles and I receive my care at the nearest military hospital. To your discretion you can ask the MTF to refer you to a civilian doctor to perform your surgery and to take care of any follow-ups with additional specialists. However, very important, you'll need request an authorization/referral through the MTF to see an in-network/non-network Tricare doctor from the Tricare website. This is a must! The MTF will be your primary care manager. It is good to already have a specialist in-network specialist from the Tricare directory in mind so that way you can tell them at time of the request. In order to insure your bills will be paid through Tricare whether seeking treatment through the MTF or authorized civilian provider referred by the MTF, you'll need to register yourself in their hospital system by going to the BCAC office Beneficiary Counseling and Assistance Coordinator. They will assist you in registering your in their system, providing care, and advising on how to get your bills paid. You can go to https://tricare.mil/bcacdcao. Ensure to tell them that you are a reservist needing LOD care. I am surprised the military doctor that you seen did not inform you of such.

If you are outside a 50 mile radius or not near a MTF then all of your medical care needs to be requested through MEDCHART system in the LOD section. You or your unit will need to go to DHA website(Defense Health Agency) and fill out worksheet 1 and worksheet 2 (can be uploaded at the same time) and submit in MEDCHART along with all your supporting documentation. This is only if you live outside a 50 mile radius or not near a MTF. All of your care will be coordinated by DHA through this website https://health.mil/GreatLakes. They will generate all your authorization/referrals. So again if you have a doctor you want to see and they are in the Tricare network/non-network directory then make sure whomever is entering your information into MEDCHART notate such. Otherwise they will send you to some random doctor. They will not pay your bill if you did not seek a referral for the needed services.

INCAP Process
In order for you to claim INCAP pay, you first need a LOD investigation initiated to determine if your injury was incurred in the line of duty and was not due to negligence or misconduct. In order for you to do this all Army Reserve and National Guard units has to have their UA or designated person to enter all supporting documentation to include doctor's medical notes from your initial visits and any subsequent visits thereafter in a system called MEDCHART in the LOD section (VERY IMPORTANT). Once entered into the system, your company commander has to digitally sign and approve this action in that system. It then gets routed to your respective RSC Health Services Department for review. The regulation says the determination should take 30 days but that depends on what their workload is like. Once approved you'll receive an official memo stating that the Army Reserve Command concurs that your injury happened in the line of duty. The DA 2173 and this memo is needed to start your INCAP claim in the MEDCHART system under the INCAP section. Should they deny your LOD then all medical treatments will cease and you'll been the hook for continued care. Receiving INCAP pay requires a lot of documents. You'll need to be seen at least once a month by the doctor in the month you are claiming lost income in order to be paid. You cannot be working your civilian job and you have to be deem not fit for military duty and/or not fit for civilian duty per the 2 7574-1 that you have. Now either have to deemed fit for military duty and not fit for civilian duty or not fit for military duty and civilian duty. Either way you cannot work your civilian job or attend battle assemblies if not fit for military duty. Other documents needed are(at minimum if applicable):
-7574 (completed every month: has to be dated after the last day of the month that you are trying to claim)
-7574-2 (completed every month: has to be dated after the last day of the month that you are trying to claim)
-Commander's Memo (completed every month: has to be dated after the last day of the month that you are trying to claim)
-all doctors notes to include x-ray reports and MRI reports if available (provide monthly)
-W-2 forms or last years tax returns
-pay stubs from your job for that month(if you some income for that month they'll deduct that amount from your military INCAP pay)
-civilian job description
-military treatment plan from civilian or military doctor(for the recovery time and dates have your doctor to either list the maximum recover period or say unknown, otherwise you'll have to have it updated if the months you are attempting to claim fall outside the months your doctor indicates)

88th RSC INCAP/LOD POC:
[email protected]

ADME Orders
NO ONE can deny you from wanting to go on active duty for treatment, not even your BN Commander. It is not left up to him. You'll need to submit an application to go on orders (preferred route; I wished I would have taken this route because the INCAP pay process takes months before you are paid). I have attached what you need. I am in the 81st RSC region but the process is the same for all RSCs. For both programs, you need a military profile. Its a simple form that you and your doctor needs to fill out and then you'll need to email that form to the Army Reserves Medical Command. Profiles can only be granted for 90 days. So 14 days before 90 days expires from your previous profile you'll need to submit another profile request. No supporting medical documentation is needed to be submitted other than your 2173. It normally takes about 2-3 days for them to issue you a profile and they will email you when its available in MEDPROS. If you are unable to access MEDPROS have someone at your unit to forward it to you.
Attached you will find the ADME/MRP2 packet and checklist. Please note the first page is Form 8 (you will not use this form). You will use Form 4, and complete all that applies on the checklist. I have also attached a fillable DA FM 4187, ensure that either ADME/MRP2 is circled. Commander's
memo(indicated as Unit Cover Letter on checklist...same thing) must be on Unit Letterhead. The Soldier needs to have a current Treatment Care Plan (on the attending Physician/medical office letterhead), Profile for the condition and an approved LOD uploaded in MEDCHART(can be submitted prior to approval of LOD determination). Upon completion of the packet, submit packet in one (1) pdf file, with the
checklist being the first document, to the respective mailbox below.

Forward WTU Entry Packets to:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Army Profile
You'll need to fill out the first two forms. Ignore the 3rd form, MEDCOM 756, and have your doctor to fill out the last forms (SF 600). Again, no supporting documentation is needed. If they need any additional information they will email you. If you need another 90 day profile in the future then you only have to submit SF 600. You can send from your civilian email. Email to the Army Reserves Medical Command using the following example:
Email completed documentation to usarmy.usarc.usarc‐[email protected]
a. SUBJECT LINE: “Profile Request”, Last name, First name and Last 4 of SSN
example- PROFILE REQUEST: Snuffy, Joe 1234

Lastly,
If you can take care of stuff yourself then I would advise you to do so. Make sure you follow directions very closely and do not miss a step. Most units do not know of this process and they will screw you. Now you cannot have access to the MEDCHART system so I would stay on whomever in your unit to make sure they are looking out for you. You can email the 88th RSC ADME/WTU and the 88th RSC INCAP/LOD POCs for more information. Feel free to file an IG complaint or congressional if things are moving slowly. Let me know if you need any additional assistance. I have access to MEDCHART and can check your progress if needed.
Extremely useful/helpful thank you for posting. I need to catch up on messages on this forum but it’s such an amazing resource. kudos to Mr. Perry and thank you Sir, for this informative post.
 

Army_PSYOP_1SG

Registered Member
#13
@MLopezEsq ,
As a 1SG it is in my blood to share information and help out Soldiers. The process above is for the Army Reserves. The National Guard has a slightly different process as it relates who processes their information. But both Army Reserves and NG Soldiers follows AT 135-381 and DODI 1241.2. Most importantly MEDCHART is the system that both components has to enter the information to initiate LOD claims and INCAP claims (very imperative and no way around this system).

Going into the WTU is a simple process and not as hectic as trying to get INCAP pay.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance with additional information regarding Army Reserve INCAP pay and LOD.
 

MLopezEsq

Registered Member
#14
@MLopezEsq ,
As a 1SG it is in my blood to share information and help out Soldiers. The process above is for the Army Reserves. The National Guard has a slightly different process as it relates who processes their information. But both Army Reserves and NG Soldiers follows AT 135-381 and DODI 1241.2. Most importantly MEDCHART is the system that both components has to enter the information to initiate LOD claims and INCAP claims (very imperative and no way around this system).

Going into the WTU is a simple process and not as hectic as trying to get INCAP pay.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance with additional information regarding Army Reserve INCAP pay and LOD.
Thank you so much. I know a soldier whose life you could probably very positively impact. I messaged you. God bless you.
 
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