Estimated CRSC amount?

marlonmc26 said:
i have spouse and 2kids(daughters) age 8 and 14 yrs old, e5 medically retired, 70% army, 100% p&t VA. CRSC 70% as of now, im trying to file a new case for crsc to get 100% using the new PACT-ACT.
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See Special Rule for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees outlined in one of the preceding posts.

Ron
 
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RonG said:
Hello @marlonmc26

@Bobby929 will receive $982 as CRSC based on the info he provided. The maximum CRSC is the longevity portion of retired pay for CH 61 retirees with less than 20 years active duty equivalent, regardless of the number of dependents one has.

The VA comp tables would be used in his case ONLY if his longevity was higher than the amount in the VA comp tables.
In that case he would receive the lower amount in the tables.

Based on your own info, you too will face the same limitations.
“VA 4072 wife 2 kids under 18
10 years 6 months E-5 honorable promoted to E-6 upon exit”

Ron
SGM (Ret.)
U.S. Army Finance Corps
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YUP, YOU ARE CORRECT.
 
Hey @RonG got approved for 80% but had someone stated slight change in the math just wanted to run it by you.
 

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Bobby929 said:
Hey @RonG got approved for 80% but had someone stated slight change in the math just wanted to run it by you.
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Hello @Booby929,

I gave you an estimate based on the info you provided at the time. Apparently, you have asked someone else to work the issue and he or she reportedly used, “a change in math”. I don’t know if that person was provided the same info.

Again, I used the info you provided. I don’t analyze the work of others elsewhere.

Regards,
Ron

cc:
@Provis
 
RonG said:
Hello @Booby929,

I gave you an estimate based on the info you provided at the time. Apparently, you have asked someone else to work the issue and he or she reportedly used, “a change in math”. I don’t know if that person was provided the same info.

Again, I used the info you provided. I don’t analyze the work of others elsewhere.

Regards,
Ron

cc:
@Provis
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I posted as a reference to assist, and someone chimed in and said you don’t count months and to provide guidance where they count partial years; it wasn’t a fact check against you
 
Bobby929 said:
I posted as a reference to assist, and someone chimed in and said you don’t count months and to provide guidance where they count partial years; it wasn’t a fact check against you
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Hello @Bobby929

The partial years are used in computing longevity (e.g., 9 months = 75%). So...If one had 15 years and 9 months AD (example) part of the formula would be 15.75x 2.5% (or 2% for blended retirement) = longevity multiplier I used 2.5% in your case. If you were in the blended retirement program, I will re-do the computation using 2% rather than 2.5%.

Don't count partial years? I had 22 years and 9 months active duty when I retired in 1991. My longevity multiplier was 22.75 x 2.5% = 56.875% (don't remember if the "5" was dropped or used)

Ron

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Reference: DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 3 * September 2022

2.1.2. Retired Pay Multiplier

2.1.2.1. In computing retired or retainer pay, other than for disability or non-regular service retirement, the retired pay or retainer pay multiplier is the product of the applicable percentage and the member’s years of creditable service. The percentage varies according to the member’s retirement program.
[note: another law covers non-regular retirement (reserve_ AND the use of 360 points = one year PLUS the counting of full months in the formula.]

See Table 3-4 (pre-BRS - 2.5 percent) and Table 3-5 (BRS - 2.0 percent).

The term “years of creditable service” means the number of years of service that are creditable to a member in computing the member’s retired or retainer pay, including credit for each full month of service in addition to full years of service. See Chapter 1, section 4.0 for determining creditable years of service for computing retired pay. 2.1.2.1.1. Pre-January 1, 1980 Member. The retired pay or retainer pay multiplier for a member with a Date of Initial Entry into Military Service (DIEMS) before January 1, 1980, is the product of 2.5 percent and the member’s years of creditable service unless that member elected to enroll in the BRS. 2.1.2.1.2. Post-January 1, 1980 Member. The retired pay or retainer pay multiplier for a member with a DIEMS on or after January 1, 1980, is the product of 2.5 percent and the member’s years of creditable service, unless that member accepted the Career Status Bonus (CSB) or elected to enroll in the BRS
 
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RonG said:
Hello @Bobby929

The partial years are used in computing longevity (e.g., 9 months = 75%). So...If one had 15 years and 9 months AD (example) part of the formula would be 15.75x 2.5% (or 2% for blended retirement) = longevity multiplier I used 2.5% in your case. If you were in the blended retirement program, I will re-do the computation using 2% rather than 2.5%.

Don't count partial years? I had 22 years and 9 months active duty when I retired in 1991. My longevity multiplier was 22.75 x 2.5% = 56.875% (don't remember if the "5" was dropped or used)

Ron
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No I wasn't in the blended retirement program. Yeah the person said this to expect closer to 900 than 1k
 
If your computation (within the attachment) was the one where 25% was mentioned, that appears to be one that did not include your months for the longevity computation.

Ron
 
RonG said:
If your computation (within the attachment) was the one where 25% was mentioned, that appears to be one that did not include your months for the longevity computation.

Ron
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Mines the 10 years 9 months 60% dod 100 VA CRSC rating is 80 as approved April 28
 
Bobby929 said:
Mines the 10 years 9 months 60% dod 100 VA CRSC rating is 80 as approved April 28
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I was speaking about the attachment you recently provided and an expert replied,

Bottom Line: Unfortunately, you will not received the 80% CRSC amount found in the VA comp tables.
You will receive the maximum CRSC payable which is the longevity portion of your retirement. And...yes, full months count as part of the formula. Example: 9 months = 0.75
(9/12 = 3/4)

Ron
 
@Bobby929

Partial years, computing retired pay, reserve time involved.

10 U.S. Code 12733. Computation of retired pay: computation of years of service​

For the purpose of computing the retired pay of a person under this chapter, the person's years of service and any fraction of such a year are computed by dividing 360 into the sum of the following:

(1) The person's days of active service.

(2) The person's days of full-time service under sections 316, 502, 503, 504, and 505 of title 32 while performing annual training duty or while attending a prescribed course of instruction at a school designated as a service school by law or by the Secretary concerned.

(3) One day for each point credited to the person under clause (B), (C), or (D) of section 12732(a)(2) of this title, but not more than-

(A) 60 days in any one year of service before the year of service that includes September 23, 1996;

(B) 75 days in the year of service that includes September 23, 1996, and in any subsequent year of service before the year of service that includes October 30, 2000; and

(C) 90 days in the year of service that includes October 30, 2000, and in any subsequent year of service.

Ron
 
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RonG said:
I was speaking about the attachment you recently provided and an expert replied,

Bottom Line: Unfortunately, you will not received the 80% CRSC amount found in the VA comp tables.
You will receive the maximum CRSC payable which is the longevity portion of your retirement. And...yes, full months count as part of the formula. Example: 9 months = 0.75
(9/12 = 3/4)

Ron
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Ok so 982 is my amount than just wondering why a guy on that group who’s considered expert said months are not counted
 
 
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Hello @Bobby929

This pertains to partial years in the computation of the longevity. It is easier to read than the laws previous quoted.

Reference: DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 3 * September 2022

2.1.2. Retired Pay Multiplier

2.1.2.1. In computing retired or retainer pay, other than for disability or non-regular service retirement, the retired pay or retainer pay multiplier is the product of the applicable percentage and the member’s years of creditable service. The percentage varies according to the member’s retirement program.
[note: another law covers non-regular retirement (reserve_ AND the use of 360 points = one year PLUS the counting of full months in the formula.]

See Table 3-4 (pre-BRS - 2.5 percent) and Table 3-5 (BRS - 2.0 percent).

The term “years of creditable service” means the number of years of service that are creditable to a member in computing the member’s retired or retainer pay, including credit for each full month of service in addition to full years of service. See Chapter 1, section 4.0 for determining creditable years of service for computing retired pay. 2.1.2.1.1. Pre-January 1, 1980 Member. The retired pay or retainer pay multiplier for a member with a Date of Initial Entry into Military Service (DIEMS) before January 1, 1980, is the product of 2.5 percent and the member’s years of creditable service unless that member elected to enroll in the BRS. 2.1.2.1.2. Post-January 1, 1980 Member. The retired pay or retainer pay multiplier for a member with a DIEMS on or after January 1, 1980, is the product of 2.5 percent and the member’s years of creditable service, unless that member accepted the Career Status Bonus (CSB) or elected to enroll in the BRS

Ron
 
@RonG my CRSC is 988 retro to 2017 Feb think I’m capped would my retro back pay be 988x72 as even in 2017 I would’ve been getting more than 988 but due to the cap just curious how the math works
 
Bobby929 said:
@RonG my CRSC is 988 retro to 2017 Feb think I’m capped would my retro back pay be 988x72 as even in 2017 I would’ve been getting more than 988 but due to the cap just curious how the math works
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Hello @Bobby929

The 988 is the longevity amount of your retired pay AFTER the COLAs each January are paid/applied. Previous years would have a lower cap. All have an effective date of 1 December.

In other words, the longevity amount for 2017 would be lower, not higher, of 988.

To obtain a precise amount for each individual year, you would have to “uncola” the previous amount.

I can offer a one year example. $988 is 8.7% more than an unknown amount.
988/1.087 = 908.92 the longevity amount for 1 December 2021-30 November 2022. The 8.7% increase was effective 1 December 2022.

Ron
 
RonG said:
Hello @Bobby929

The 988 is the longevity amount of your retired pay AFTER the COLAs each January are paid/applied. Previous years would have a lower cap. All have an effective date of 1 December.

In other words, the longevity amount for 2017 would be lower, not higher, of 988.

To obtain a precise amount for each individual year, you would have to “uncola” the previous amount.

I can offer a one year example. $988 is 8.7% more than an unknown amount.
988/1.087 = 908.92 the longevity amount for 1 December 2021-30 November 2022. The 8.7% increase was effective 1 December 2022.

Ron
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Think I did this right or do I need to shift

2017 794 9,533
2018 810 9,996
2019 833 9,720
2020 846 10,152
2021 857 10,284
2022 908 10,896
= 60,581

2017​
2.0​
2018​
2.8​
2019​
1.6​
2020​
1.3​
2021​
5.9​
2022​
8.7​
 
Bobby929 said:
Think I did this right or do I need to shift

2017 794 9,533
2018 810 9,996
2019 833 9,720
2020 846 10,152
2021 857 10,284
2022 908 10,896
= 60,581

2017​
2.0​
2018​
2.8​
2019​
1.6​
2020​
1.3​
2021​
5.9​
2022​
8.7​
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Hello @Bobby929

Outstanding! I only did a spot check but those I checked are correct, based on what is known.

Did your CRSC approval document from your service show a retroactive effective date of six years?

Ron
 
Bobby929 said:
Yes back to Feb 2017
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Then, obviously you will receive a healthy retroactive payment. Please report how this works out for you.

Regards,

Ron
 
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