Promotion upon medical discharge
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The AR 635-50 and 10 USC 1204 are the authorizations for the retirement. However, as you know, AR 600-8-19 is the authority for promotions. Where does it say it on your orders?
Ok, I made another call to my state G1 office and was told it’s a promotion without pay and would not be updated in any of the military systems because I was not selected for a promotion per her conversation with USAPDA.
I explained that I knew pay was not authorized per 10 USC 1401. But why do my retirement orders reflect the retired rank of E8 if nothing is going show E8 across the various military systems.
Next call is to Transproc.
I explained that I knew pay was not authorized per 10 USC 1401. But why do my retirement orders reflect the retired rank of E8 if nothing is going show E8 across the various military systems.
Next call is to Transproc.
Left message with TRANSPROC before noon EST and waiting for response call.
I’m done with my state RSO and G1. G1 said that I have to be selected for promotion for the rank to be updated. This is not what all AR’s and pertinent USC’s reflect, not then and as far as I can tell not now.
The retired pay for me is calculated off my high 36 pay, nothing changes that. I could be promoted two ranks up or two ranks down and my pay is still the same. The title MSG has nothing to do with pay after being retired, it’s in title only, why is this so difficult.
I’m done with my state RSO and G1. G1 said that I have to be selected for promotion for the rank to be updated. This is not what all AR’s and pertinent USC’s reflect, not then and as far as I can tell not now.
The retired pay for me is calculated off my high 36 pay, nothing changes that. I could be promoted two ranks up or two ranks down and my pay is still the same. The title MSG has nothing to do with pay after being retired, it’s in title only, why is this so difficult.
What she said does not make sense to me. You were selected for promotion if you were on a promotion list. It’s just the time needed to you actually pin on is truncated to coincide with your last day of service. The regulation even goes on to say if you were to be brought back into service (from TDRL for example) that your DOR would be adjusted to what it would have been if you weren’t medically retired. But if the military systems aren’t updated you’d come back in as your old rank. What the heck is the point of the DES promotion policy if it’s not recognized in Army systems to include DEERS?
Hopefully TRANSPROC has a better answer for you.
Promotion While in the DES
What You Need to Know
• Per AR 600‐8‐19, if you are in the Disability Evaluation System (DES) and you are on a
promotion list at the time of separation (not at the start of transition leave) you will be
promoted upon separation.
• The promotion date will be the separation date for Medically separated Soldier or the day
before being placed on the retired list for Medically retired Soldiers.
• PME is waived (ie: a SPC does not have the have BLC to get promoted to SGT or a SGT
does not need ALC to be promoted to SSG).
• The Promotion determination is not made locally. The determination is done by US
Army Human Resources command Junior Enlisted Promotions.
• Instructions to S1 on how submit:
• Please follow the steps listed below to submit an Administrative System
Correction (ASC) PAR; once received we will review and action appropriately.
•
• 1) Initiate a Personnel Action Request (PAR) in IPPS-A.
• 2) Select "Promotion" as the action.
• 3) Select "DIS - Disability Evaluation System" as the action reason.
• 4) If Soldier has already been promoted to requested rank in IPPS-A then an
amendment to those orders must be requested.
• Choose “amend” under type of PAR, choose the correct orders to amend.
• 5) Fill out data reflecting Soldier information such as:
Rank Entry Date: Date of separation on order
Grade Entry Date: Date of separation on order
• 7) Attach appropriate documents to action (i.e., MUST HAVE D199 AND SEPARATION ORDER, BN CDR's memo - Optional, have legacy PPW must reflect current weapon qual, ).
Add any additional documents under more information.
• 8) Route action through to the Junior Enlisted Promotions team
• For Active Component S1s will insert Jr. Enlisted Promotions in the Approval
Stage by choosing business unit “ARACA” and Template ID # 000000000033819
• All other inquires can be submitted through CRM or PAR<Admin Records
Correction. Some examples would be Soldiers who require legacy temporary
promotion extension, on by-name list and didn’t receive orders, etc.
PAR should be approved within 1-2 business days. When it approved, go to "View order", email order to your transition POC.
What You Need to Know
• Per AR 600‐8‐19, if you are in the Disability Evaluation System (DES) and you are on a
promotion list at the time of separation (not at the start of transition leave) you will be
promoted upon separation.
• The promotion date will be the separation date for Medically separated Soldier or the day
before being placed on the retired list for Medically retired Soldiers.
• PME is waived (ie: a SPC does not have the have BLC to get promoted to SGT or a SGT
does not need ALC to be promoted to SSG).
• The Promotion determination is not made locally. The determination is done by US
Army Human Resources command Junior Enlisted Promotions.
• Instructions to S1 on how submit:
• Please follow the steps listed below to submit an Administrative System
Correction (ASC) PAR; once received we will review and action appropriately.
•
• 1) Initiate a Personnel Action Request (PAR) in IPPS-A.
• 2) Select "Promotion" as the action.
• 3) Select "DIS - Disability Evaluation System" as the action reason.
• 4) If Soldier has already been promoted to requested rank in IPPS-A then an
amendment to those orders must be requested.
• Choose “amend” under type of PAR, choose the correct orders to amend.
• 5) Fill out data reflecting Soldier information such as:
Rank Entry Date: Date of separation on order
Grade Entry Date: Date of separation on order
• 7) Attach appropriate documents to action (i.e., MUST HAVE D199 AND SEPARATION ORDER, BN CDR's memo - Optional, have legacy PPW must reflect current weapon qual, ).
Add any additional documents under more information.
• 8) Route action through to the Junior Enlisted Promotions team
• For Active Component S1s will insert Jr. Enlisted Promotions in the Approval
Stage by choosing business unit “ARACA” and Template ID # 000000000033819
• All other inquires can be submitted through CRM or PAR<Admin Records
Correction. Some examples would be Soldiers who require legacy temporary
promotion extension, on by-name list and didn’t receive orders, etc.
PAR should be approved within 1-2 business days. When it approved, go to "View order", email order to your transition POC.
The orders show some kind of promotion- what kind, how is it implemented, it’s only updated in non pay systems? I’m told no updates anywhere.
What about my final military document (NGB22)?
No return call from TRANSPROC yet.
My rank is MSG in orders, SFC everywhere
My DOR is 9 June 2019
I have a few military friends, and today I reached out to one with the exact same type DES retirement with a promotion to E9. Only difference was friends was all on one order instead of having the amendment like mine.
My friends E9 promotion was paid in DFAS! They notified DFAS to stop the E9 pay because they didn’t want to incur a debt further down the road knowing the USC didn’t authorize the E9 pay. They explained to DFAS that it was a rank promotion only and DFAS told them they couldn’t have E8 pay with E9 rank in DFAS. It now shows them E8/MSG instead of E8/SGM.
So I don’t know what’s going on
What about my final military document (NGB22)?
No return call from TRANSPROC yet.
My rank is MSG in orders, SFC everywhere
My DOR is 9 June 2019
I have a few military friends, and today I reached out to one with the exact same type DES retirement with a promotion to E9. Only difference was friends was all on one order instead of having the amendment like mine.
My friends E9 promotion was paid in DFAS! They notified DFAS to stop the E9 pay because they didn’t want to incur a debt further down the road knowing the USC didn’t authorize the E9 pay. They explained to DFAS that it was a rank promotion only and DFAS told them they couldn’t have E8 pay with E9 rank in DFAS. It now shows them E8/MSG instead of E8/SGM.
So I don’t know what’s going on
That makes no sense. What does their retirement rolls say? The rank should have no bearing on pay since HIGH 36 is used and being promoted on the last day of service wouldn't affect HIGH 36.
Exactly, when retired pay is received I would think rank doesn’t matter because the pay isn’t tied to rank anymore. It’s fixed with only Cola raises.
@RonG
I’m no longer in the DES system. Can a (ASC) PAR be done? I haven’t ran across any verbiage about senior promotions other than SGM.
Thank you
Idk, this is for E4(P) and E5(P).
Because you are retired, I doubt that a PAR in IPPS-A can be done. I don't even know if retirees are in the system; you might never have been in it since the ARNG didn't start using it until 2020 (active duty JAN 2023). Although many ARNG states were migrating from SIDPERS to IPPSA around that time of your retirement which may explain why it wasn't done. I did look through the IPPS-A User Manual though and it seems to specify that this is how it is done now. Table 18-6 shows a special promotion code for Disability Evaluation System (DIS). Based on my knowledge and experience, it would be the Installation TRANSPROC that would submit that transaction. IPPS-A feeds into TABDB so that would update the connected systems. Again, since you were ARNG, likely this transaction would have and should have been completed in SIDPERS by whatever office processed your transition out of the Army.
I do remember a system called SIDPERS, but I don’t know which system keeps my records now. Any chance you can relay the special promotion code used from table 18-6 in IPPS-A for DES. I could reference when TRANSPROC returns my call.
Honestly at this point I would just like TRANSPROC to confirm my problem and say Yes I can help you with that.
The code is “DIS.”
Thank you. Still waiting for TRANSPROC return call here
As a new NG retiree, I can confirm I'm in IPPS-A as they were helping with my case. While I was not showing correctly most other places, IPPS-A had me listed correctly.
Interesting. If retirees are still in IPPS-A it may be an easier fix for HRC TRANSPROC. The challenge is always finding someone willing to do something unusual vs being ordered to by the BCMR.