New in the MEB process

islandboy25

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hello,

I am new in the MEB process and need some guidance, I have my first appointment on Monday with the VA MSC and was told I need to a bring list containing all the conditions that I want to claim on the VA disability form. I need to know if I just have to list each specific conditions such as: PTSD/Anxiety/Depression etc... Or do I have to list them and explain how my daily life is affected? Thanks in advance
 
If you're going for a VA C&P exam, they will exam and interview you thoroughly regarding each condition, and the limitations it causes. Best to have all the medical documentation you can bring with you. Much nowadays will already be in the electronic record, but your prescriptions, any other documents that you think might apply, etc...

I hate to say it like this, but from my own personal experience I felt, especially after I read their C&P reports, that they weren't so much concerned about properly documenting the conditions and limitations as they were fishing for sound bites from me to diminish or discount everything. With that in mind, be very cognizant of what you say and what information you offer.

If you tell them your knee is unstable, hurts like hell, causes you to limp on cold days, and pops like Orville Reddenbacker, and mention that on occasion you still gut out the pain so you can participate in the APFT. Their report may very well list it as, "Occasional pain and discomfort, but able to do the APFT without issues". When I read my C&P exam reports, calling them dirty lying rat bastards seemed to light a moniker.

I hope your experience is vastly different then mine was, but be prepared in any case.

The basic steps in case you're still shaky on them are:

Enter the IDES system.

Get a NARSUM done by a military physician (narrative summary) of your conditions and how they affect your ability to perform you military duties.

Get VA C&P (compensation and pension) exams, that will be used to determine your VASRD (VA service related disability) ratings.

After the C&P exams are done but well before the VASRD ratings are posted (at the IPEB stage), you will receive an MEB finding.

The MEB finding purpose is to determine if you have any UNFITTING conditions, very important, because ONLY the Unfitting conditions will be considered by the military to determine if you qualify for separation (one time big check) or retirement (TRICARE, maybe a small check if it's combat related (CRSC).

When you get your MEB findings you have 10 days to consult with JAG or your own attorney and ADD any Unfitting conditions that aren't already on there.

After that it goes to the VA raters, who come back in a few months with ALL the VASRD's , including those not Unfitting. The military Informal PEB (IPEB) gives you a finding ONLY for the Unfitting conditions, below a combined rating of 30%= separation, 30% or above = military retirement. You again have 10 days to consult with JAG or your attorney and appeal.

If you're still unhappy with things there is the formal PEB (FPEB), then the Army Board for Corrections of Military Records (ABCMR) and finally if all else fails the Court of Federal Claims.

On the VA side, percentages matter not just for a monthly check, but also for things like Vocational Rehabilitation (Voc-Rehab) and possible Individual Unemployability (IU) if you're unable to work at all. Along with SSDI.

Combined ratings are NOT normal 1+1=2 math, it's the law of diminishing returns, so there's VA calculator to figure it out when the time comes.

If it is combat related, including caused by an instrumentality of war, or simulations of combat (FTX's) then make sure you also push for CRSC.

If you are in the Guard or Reserves, and unable to either work in your civilian job or perform drill due to your LOD injury, you should be drawing INCAP (incapacitation) pay right now. PM me if that's the case, it's my major in IDES college.

One bit of advice, start saving as much of your military pay as you can now. You will be surprised at how little the monthly check from the VA/military retirement will be, and it's better to have as much as you can in reserve, just in case. Read into that, this is a terrible time to start making payments on a new bass boat.

Welcome to the maze, just keep your spirits up, your eyes and ears open, and know at least here in the forum you're among friends and a wealth of information. Good luck.
 
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Just to add on,

At your VA MSC appointment, the he/she will assist you with filling out VA Form 21-0819. This is the form is where you will list all of your all of your medical conditions that occurred throughout your military career. The VA MSC can extract them from your medical record (AHLTA) and list them in block 11. If the list does not fit in block 11, then it will be continued and be annotated on VA Form 21-4138.

Note: although it's the VA MSC job to assist you with filling out the forms, I advise to:
1. Re-screen your medical record
2. Extract your all of your conditions (head to toe, like you are doing a PHA questionnaire) I cannot recall the DD Form.
3. Pre-fill VA Form 21-0819 before your claims appointment, don't wait until the day of
4. List everything from head to toe and bring any medical evidences on hand with you to the appointment, in case the VA MSC may miss something.

Also, bring your bank information (routing & account #s) of the account you want to deposit your VA $

Hopefully this helps,

T-man
 
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For the claim form I mostly just listed body parts. Many issues I never explored with military medicine so no diagnosis. Motrin is over the counter, there is rarely a need to see them. Best advice I think is to start at the top of your head and just go down. I took the form and sat on it for a couple days before bringing it back with bank info and signatures.
 
If you're going for a VA C&P exam, they will exam and interview you thoroughly regarding each condition, and the limitations it causes. Best to have all the medical documentation you can bring with you. Much nowadays will already be in the electronic record, but your prescriptions, any other documents that you think might apply, etc...

I hate to say it like this, but from my own personal experience I felt, especially after I read their C&P reports, that they weren't so much concerned about properly documenting the conditions and limitations as they were fishing for sound bites from me to diminish or discount everything. With that in mind, be very cognizant of what you say and what information you offer.

If you tell them your knee is unstable, hurts like hell, causes you to limp on cold days, and pops like Orville Reddenbacker, and mention that on occasion you still gut out the pain so you can participate in the APFT. Their report may very well list it as, "Occasional pain and discomfort, but able to do the APFT without issues". When I read my C&P exam reports, calling them dirty lying rat bastards seemed to light a moniker.

I hope your experience is vastly different then mine was, but be prepared in any case.

The basic steps in case you're still shaky on them are:

Enter the IDES system.

Get a NARSUM done by a military physician (narrative summary) of your conditions and how they affect your ability to perform you military duties.

Get VA C&P (compensation and pension) exams, that will be used to determine your VASRD (VA service related disability) ratings.

After the C&P exams are done but well before the VASRD ratings are posted (at the IPEB stage), you will receive an MEB finding.

The MEB finding purpose is to determine if you have any UNFITTING conditions, very important, because ONLY the Unfitting conditions will be considered by the military to determine if you qualify for separation (one time big check) or retirement (TRICARE, maybe a small check if it's combat related (CRSC).

When you get your MEB findings you have 10 days to consult with JAG or your own attorney and ADD any Unfitting conditions that aren't already on there.

After that it goes to the VA raters, who come back in a few months with ALL the VASRD's , including those not Unfitting. The military Informal PEB (IPEB) gives you a finding ONLY for the Unfitting conditions, below a combined rating of 30%= separation, 30% or above = military retirement. You again have 10 days to consult with JAG or your attorney and appeal.

If you're still unhappy with things there is the formal PEB (FPEB), then the Army Board for Corrections of Military Records (ABCMR) and finally if all else fails the Court of Federal Claims.

On the VA side, percentages matter not just for a monthly check, but also for things like Vocational Rehabilitation (Voc-Rehab) and possible Individual Unemployability (IU) if you're unable to work at all. Along with SSDI.

Combined ratings are NOT normal 1+1=2 math, it's the law of diminishing returns, so there's VA calculator to figure it out when the time comes.

If it is combat related, including caused by an instrumentality of war, or simulations of combat (FTX's) then make sure you also push for CRSC.

If you are in the Guard or Reserves, and unable to either work in your civilian job or perform drill due to your LOD injury, you should be drawing INCAP (incapacitation) pay right now. PM me if that's the case, it's my major in IDES college.

One bit of advice, start saving as much of your military pay as you can now. You will be surprised at how little the monthly check from the VA/military retirement will be, and it's better to have as much as you can in reserve, just in case. Read into that, this is a terrible time to start making payments on a new bass boat.

Welcome to the maze, just keep your spirits up, your eyes and ears open, and know at least here in the forum you're among friends and a wealth of information. Good luck.
 
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Thanks for all the great info, tomorrow I will be having the 1st (MH) of my 3 VA appointments. Somewhat nervous as I have no idea what to expect. I will be going in at the end of the month for NARSUM.
 
Thanks for all the great info, tomorrow I will be having the 1st (MH) of my 3 VA appointments. Somewhat nervous as I have no idea what to expect. I will be going in at the end of the month for NARSUM.


Hey, do you have the time to walk me they your meb board process, mines has just started on yesterday after my Peblo called me and had me to fill out some paperwork and emailed back to her...
 
Hey, do you have the time to walk me they your meb board process, mines has just started on yesterday after my Peblo called me and had me to fill out some paperwork and emailed back to her...
Welcome to the PEB Forum! :)

In retrospect, since the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process is a performance-based system, one important factor is the impact of all medical conditions affecting the military service member's ability to "reasonably perform duties of his or her office, grade, rank or rating."

Each military department's first priority for military service members suffering from an illness or injury is to ensure delivery of the highest quality and proper medical attention. If the medical conditions improve to the point that the military service member is able to return to full military duty, then they are returned to their military unit.

Otherwise, despite the advances in modern medicine and the best efforts of patients, some military service members cannot be returned to full-duty status. In this event, it will be necessary for the military service member to be referred to the Integrated Disability Evaluation System (IDES). The IDES process begins whenever the military medical provider determines that the military service member's ability to continue their military service is questionable due to a physical and/or mental impairment.

As such, I would like to direct your attention to my PEB Forum URL thread for a detailed explanation about the entire DoD IDES process as follows:

http://www.pebforum.com/site/threads/a-detailed-explanation-of-the-dod-ides-meb-peb-process.22807/

To that extent, please remain "positively proactive" when progressing thru the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process! For sure, never default acceptance to any injustices; fight then continue to fight some more until receipt of your desired expectations supportive via medical evidence and/or medical documentation!

With that all said, please take care and I hope for much success during your DoD IDES process proceedings! :cool:

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer!"

Best Wishes!
 
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