Are retirement orders following an MEB pay orders? I'm Air National Guard, FYSA.

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There is some confusion on whether my retirement orders are pay orders or not. My Title 10 orders I have been on during the entire MEB end 30 October (today is 29 October) and no one can tell me if I will be paid until my retirement date. I have 58 days of leave, 15 days of out-processing and 20 days of PTDY that were included in the retirement date below. Basically, who foots the bill for these days?

EFFECTIVE 12 JAN 2023 YOU ARE RELIEVED FROM ACTIVE DUTY, ABOVE ORGANIZATION
AND STATION OF ASSIGNMENT, EFFECTIVE 13 JAN 2023 YOU ARE PERMANENTLY
DISABILITY RETIRED IN THE GRADE OF MSG PER AFI 36−3212 WITH COMPENSABLE
PERCENTAGE FOR PHYSICAL DISABILITY OF 090 PERCENT.

Can anyone shine any light on this?
 
Hello,

From the perspective of an Army retiree, that document (along with other retirement packet items) should result in receipt of retired pay after they have been received by DFAS. The order shows you are placed on the PDRL @90%.

I have never heard of a “pay order”.

Good luck,

Ron

cc: @Provis
 
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There is some confusion on whether my retirement orders are pay orders or not. My Title 10 orders I have been on during the entire MEB end 30 October (today is 29 October) and no one can tell me if I will be paid until my retirement date. I have 58 days of leave, 15 days of out-processing and 20 days of PTDY that were included in the retirement date below. Basically, who foots the bill for these days?

EFFECTIVE 12 JAN 2023 YOU ARE RELIEVED FROM ACTIVE DUTY, ABOVE ORGANIZATION
AND STATION OF ASSIGNMENT, EFFECTIVE 13 JAN 2023 YOU ARE PERMANENTLY
DISABILITY RETIRED IN THE GRADE OF MSG PER AFI 36−3212 WITH COMPENSABLE
PERCENTAGE FOR PHYSICAL DISABILITY OF 090 PERCENT.

Can anyone shine any light on this?
They are supposed to extend those your Title 10 orders up until you NLT date. Your retirement orders assume you are to continue on Active Duty. Good Luck!
 
They are supposed to extend those your Title 10 orders up until you NLT date. Your retirement orders assume you are to continue on Active Duty. Good Luck!
The Fiscal Year '23 Title 10 orders starting on 01 October were allotted to me and when the retirement orders dropped on 29 September, the purse string holders pulled them back because "We won't issue paydays for you to be on terminal leave." This leaves me without Tricare and pay (orders are not the right type for TAMP) until retirement date. I'm not smart on the regs, but this seems like a terrible thing to do to someone who was medically retired.
 
The Fiscal Year '23 Title 10 orders starting on 01 October were allotted to me and when the retirement orders dropped on 29 September, the purse string holders pulled them back because "We won't issue paydays for you to be on terminal leave." This leaves me without Tricare and pay (orders are not the right type for TAMP) until retirement date. I'm not smart on the regs, but this seems like a terrible thing to do to someone who was medically retired.
The NG doesn't have a good track record of taking care of people. If that's the case they must allow you to sell your leave days. I would contact your local congressperson and request an inquiry. It looks awfully bad perception wise and they may change their mind with some outside pressure.
 
The NG doesn't have a good track record of taking care of people. If that's the case they must allow you to sell your leave days. I would contact your local congressperson and request an inquiry. It looks awfully bad perception wise and they may change their mind with some outside pressure.
Hope this helps someone else.

It was AD that screwed me. The NG is actively assisting me in the fight to get the Title 10 back. They turned me on to some regs:

10 U.S. Code § 1168 - Discharge or release from active duty: limitations​


(a)A member of an armed force may not be discharged or released from active duty until his discharge certificate or certificate of release from active duty, respectively, and his final pay or a substantial part of that pay, are ready for delivery to him or his next of kin or legal representative.
(b)This section does not prevent the immediate transfer of a member to a facility of the Department of Veterans Affairs for necessary hospital care.

AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 36-3003 24 AUGUST 2020 Personnel MILITARY LEAVE PROGRAM

2.5. Disability Separation.
2.5.1. Members will receive payment for up to 60 days of accrued leave and will be afforded time to take any accrued leave in excess of this 60-day limit. (T-1).

2.5.2. Determining Retirement or Separation Date. AFPC Physical Disability Division (AFPC/DPFD) determines a member’s separation date, taking into account: 2.5.2.1. Leave balance and leave accrural in excess of the 60-day accrued leave payment limitation for members authorized payment for up to 60 days of accrued leave. 2.5.2.2. Accrued leave and leave that accrues to the date of separation for members previously paid for 60 days.

2.5.2.3. PTDY authorized.

2.5.2.4. Processing time. Members may take accrued leave instead of processing time. Example: A member previously paid for 40 days of accrued leave and has a leave balance of 70 days. In this case, the member receives payment for 20 days and can take leave for the remaining 50 days plus leave accruing to date of separation. If member is receiving payment for accrued leave for the first time, he or she receives payment for 60 days. The member then can take leave for the remaining 10 days plus leave accruing to date of separation. The established date of separation remains firm and members forfeit accrued leave if unable to take leave due to extenuating circumstances (for example, hospitalization or convalescent leave). Note: Paragraph 2.5.2 does not apply to members separating or retiring because of imminent death.

2.5.3. Leave Awaiting Orders. Charge leave as accrued and accruing when the commander sends a member home or to another location in a permanent change of station status to await orders for disability separation. Charge any remaining time as an authorized absence after the member uses all accrued leave.
 
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