Army Reserve IDES MEB Timeline (Hip Surgery)

StrugglingGradStudent

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Hi! I am in the Army Reserve. I was an OCS Candidate - 09S. I had urgent hip pinning (ORIF) surgery. I am now in the MEB review stage of the process.

Side Note: I added additional comments throughout the timeline just to provide more context as to why this has taken so long to reach MEB Review. And hopefully others can avoid!

Make sure you document and save EVERYTHING! And please, make copies of your paperwork.

My Timeline from Injury to Current:

-02/21/2022: Hip Injury


Major hip injury occurred during training.

Fractured R hip (did not have MRI or diagnosis yet but was in excruciating pain and could barely walk) but was told not to seek care during Army BCT. Also, BSI in knees, shin splints (X-ray showed tibia healing), patellar tendon injury in R knee.

Had to finish the Forge and training, injury worsened. Graduated Army BCT 03/10/2022.

-03/16/2022: Hip Surgery

Urgent Hip Pinning Surgery due to severe femoral neck fracture (hip fracture over 50%) Crutches and no weight bearing.

-Sent home on Convalescent leave for 1 month.

-Returned to OCS HHC Fort Benning barracks mid April.

-05/2022: Medical Dismissal & DD220

Medically dismissed from OCS and sent home (Had to return to Reserve unit)

Usually they assess you over 6 months (especially for hip surgery- I’ve talked to others with similar procedure) to see how physical therapy goes and to see if pain, ROM, physical limitations increase or decrease. Mine greatly increased negatively. Also occurrence of mental health conditions secondary to physical conditions during the 6 month post-op period.

09/2022: Army Ortho Referral

Referred for Medical Board review by Army Orthopedic Surgeon 6 months post-surgery with clinical notes, in short, stating NO return to any military training or military school. Soldier is unable to perform duties due to physical injuries. Referral for medical board review.

-11/02/2022: Initial Case Reviewer

Received Case Reviewer through AR-MMC.

I had a brand new case reviewer. My Army Surgeon submitted clinical notes specifically referring me for a medical board initiation. Case reviewer did not realize that is all that is needed to go to next step. A military specialty provider cannot put in a P3 profile for Reservists, I believe they can for Active Duty soldiers. Only civilian providers can submit the permanent profile request. Anyways, I resubmitted my Army Ortho’s notes, medical info release forms, clinical documentation, profiles, medical exam documentation, and permanent profile request packets from civilian physicians.

From end of March 2022 to early February 2023 I was on extended profile.

-02/06/2023:

Permanent Profile approved!

-02/06/2023:

Transitioned to the next stage in case management due to permanent profile (P3). Condition met the Medical Retention Determination Point (MRDP).
The AR-MMC prepared the case for processing in the Disability Evaluation System (DES).

-02/07/2023:

Received a Nurse Case Manager with experience. Very helpful! Told me that my initial reviewer was brand new and should’ve have had my packet sent months ago.

Put in place other condition profiles & documentation as well. Sent everything relevant.

-02/07/2023:

Forms sent to CDR and Unit POC.
ALCON ——— has a medical condition that requires evaluation in accordance with the provisions of AR 40-501, Chapter 3.The AR-MMC will prepare the case file for processing in the Disability Evaluation System (DES).

-03/09/2023:

Deadline for IDES MEB paperwork to be sent through AR-MMC.

This was like pulling teeth.

-03/28/2023:

IDRM approved.

(I have a DD220 from my OCS Medical Dismissal, not a DD214.) However, my “active duty training period” was greater than 90 days. Just FYI.

-04/03/2023:

MEBTO Form received, completed, and sent back to go along with MEB packet.

-04/22/2023:

IDES, Counseling, CDR Statement Forms signed and received from my Unit CDR and Unit POC.

Sent to Nurse Case Manager same day.

-04/25/2023:

Packet sent to MEB for review!

-4-6 Weeks:

Waiting on PEBLO contact. 4-6 weeks approximately.
 
First, really glad to hear that you were able to get your medical issues addressed, sorry to hear that you had to get to the emergency situation. I would hope that you hear from the PEBLO soon and they can help you navigate the process. Wish you luck, and that you get taken care of properly.
 
Hi! I am in the Army Reserve. I was an OCS Candidate - 09S. I had urgent hip pinning (ORIF) surgery. I am now in the MEB review stage of the process.

Side Note: I added additional comments throughout the timeline just to provide more context as to why this has taken so long to reach MEB Review. And hopefully others can avoid!

Make sure you document and save EVERYTHING! And please, make copies of your paperwork.

My Timeline from Injury to Current:

-02/21/2022: Hip Injury


Major hip injury occurred during training.

Fractured R hip (did not have MRI or diagnosis yet but was in excruciating pain and could barely walk) but was told not to seek care during Army BCT. Also, BSI in knees, shin splints (X-ray showed tibia healing), patellar tendon injury in R knee.

Had to finish the Forge and training, injury worsened. Graduated Army BCT 03/10/2022.

-03/16/2022: Hip Surgery

Urgent Hip Pinning Surgery due to severe femoral neck fracture (hip fracture over 50%) Crutches and no weight bearing.

-Sent home on Convalescent leave for 1 month.

-Returned to OCS HHC Fort Benning barracks mid April.

-05/2022: Medical Dismissal & DD220

Medically dismissed from OCS and sent home (Had to return to Reserve unit)

Usually they assess you over 6 months (especially for hip surgery- I’ve talked to others with similar procedure) to see how physical therapy goes and to see if pain, ROM, physical limitations increase or decrease. Mine greatly increased negatively. Also occurrence of mental health conditions secondary to physical conditions during the 6 month post-op period.

09/2022: Army Ortho Referral

Referred for Medical Board review by Army Orthopedic Surgeon 6 months post-surgery with clinical notes, in short, stating NO return to any military training or military school. Soldier is unable to perform duties due to physical injuries. Referral for medical board review.

-11/02/2022: Initial Case Reviewer

Received Case Reviewer through AR-MMC.

I had a brand new case reviewer. My Army Surgeon submitted clinical notes specifically referring me for a medical board initiation. Case reviewer did not realize that is all that is needed to go to next step. A military specialty provider cannot put in a P3 profile for Reservists, I believe they can for Active Duty soldiers. Only civilian providers can submit the permanent profile request. Anyways, I resubmitted my Army Ortho’s notes, medical info release forms, clinical documentation, profiles, medical exam documentation, and permanent profile request packets from civilian physicians.

From end of March 2022 to early February 2023 I was on extended profile.

-02/06/2023:

Permanent Profile approved!

-02/06/2023:

Transitioned to the next stage in case management due to permanent profile (P3). Condition met the Medical Retention Determination Point (MRDP).
The AR-MMC prepared the case for processing in the Disability Evaluation System (DES).

-02/07/2023:

Received a Nurse Case Manager with experience. Very helpful! Told me that my initial reviewer was brand new and should’ve have had my packet sent months ago.

Put in place other condition profiles & documentation as well. Sent everything relevant.

-02/07/2023:

Forms sent to CDR and Unit POC.
ALCON ——— has a medical condition that requires evaluation in accordance with the provisions of AR 40-501, Chapter 3.The AR-MMC will prepare the case file for processing in the Disability Evaluation System (DES).

-03/09/2023:

Deadline for IDES MEB paperwork to be sent through AR-MMC.

This was like pulling teeth.

-03/28/2023:

IDRM approved.

(I have a DD220 from my OCS Medical Dismissal, not a DD214.) However, my “active duty training period” was greater than 90 days. Just FYI.

-04/03/2023:

MEBTO Form received, completed, and sent back to go along with MEB packet.

-04/22/2023:

IDES, Counseling, CDR Statement Forms signed and received from my Unit CDR and Unit POC.

Sent to Nurse Case Manager same day.

-04/25/2023:

Packet sent to MEB for review!

-4-6 Weeks:

Waiting on PEBLO contact. 4-6 weeks approximately.
Timeline Update!

06/27/2023:
PEBLO emailed me with general information and stated he would contact me to schedule a time to discuss the MEB

07/06/2023
PEBLO called me and discussed the general process, outcomes, and options

07/06/2023
MEB “Day #1”

07/10/2023
VA Rep contacted. Discussed additional claims. Signed form.

07/19/2023
Followed up with PEBLO

07/24/2023
VA exam #1 Completed

08/16/2023
VA separation exam #2 Completed

08/31/2023
All C&P exam information is being sent to the VA Regional Office.


10/10/2023
NARSUM being completed by Medical Board Physicians.

*I’m trying to stay positive and hopeful that things will move quickly after the NARSUM is complete! From other’s posts I’ve seen, it appears that there was a 4-5 day period until NARSUM was received and then averaging 10-11 days for the informal PEB decision. Not sure if that’s still accurate in 2023. Also, I’m in the Army Reserve where things seem to move a LOT slower.

Any input, tips, or advice would be appreciated.
 
Timeline Update!

06/27/2023:
PEBLO emailed me with general information and stated he would contact me to schedule a time to discuss the MEB

07/06/2023
PEBLO called me and discussed the general process, outcomes, and options

07/06/2023
MEB “Day #1”

07/10/2023
VA Rep contacted. Discussed additional claims. Signed form.

07/19/2023
Followed up with PEBLO

07/24/2023
VA exam #1 Completed

08/16/2023
VA separation exam #2 Completed

08/31/2023
All C&P exam information is being sent to the VA Regional Office.


10/10/2023
NARSUM being completed by Medical Board Physicians.

*I’m trying to stay positive and hopeful that things will move quickly after the NARSUM is complete! From other’s posts I’ve seen, it appears that there was a 4-5 day period until NARSUM was received and then averaging 10-11 days for the informal PEB decision. Not sure if that’s still accurate in 2023. Also, I’m in the Army Reserve where things seem to move a LOT slower.

Any input, tips, or advice would be appreciated.
Also, I do have VA healthcare and a VA hospital close by, which has been a blessing!
 
Update:

10/23/2023
NARSUM received

10/24/2023
Call with FT Gordon lawyer to discuss options.

10/25/2023
DA form 3947 signed and sent to PEBLO. With recent/ongoing relevant clinical documentation.

I chose to have an IMR. Hoping this is useful.
 
Timeline update:

10/25/2023
Requested an IMR, signed, sent to PEBLO along with recent non-MTF treatment records and diagnosis

10/26/2023
IMR meeting with Physician.

10/27/2023
IMR Response officially received via email from PEBLO.

10/30/2023
Signed updated DA FORM 3947.
Appeal & rebuttal request sent to PEBLO.

11/01/2023
Meeting with lawyer.

11/06/2023
Wrote my statement & sent to lawyer.
Lawyer sent his rebuttal memo with my statement included. PEBLO received.
 
12/11/2023
VA ratings increased! Claims closed.

01/23/2024
Received the PEB decision - DA Form 199 from PEBLO.

01/30/2024
Met with lawyer.

02/05/2024
My decision needs to be made whether to concur with 20% DoD rating or appeal. DA Form 199.
Timeline for appeal would be ~6 months (July) for the formal hearing.
Due to this, and also my mental sanity, I am leaning towards concurring with the 20%. I know with 30% I’d be eligible for TriCare, however, I do receive VA disability, VA healthcare, & private healthcare.

(If anyone has any input please let me know, I’m aiming to make my election today.)
 
The “final” update:
I received my separation orders and my separation memo!
(I signed my DA 199 on 01.30.2024 and received the orders 02.15.2024)

I now need to out-processes from my Reserve Unit.
 
I received a letter from DFAS stating that I owe ~4k apparently due to the group life insurance premiums while I was drilling for points with my reserve unit. I didn’t even know about this.
My unit told me there isn’t anything I can do about that and just have to pay on it.

Did this happen to anyone else?
 
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