So, just FYI, all retirements are set for at least halfway through the month, to the end of the month. That gives 45-60 days from message release to retirement. You can get an estimate from my timeline below, but I also had a FPEB appeal in place which seemed to speed up the "after acceptance" timeline.
I don't believe this is true for the Air Force. I've seen people get retirement dates for the first week of the month.
I'm hoping my retirement date falls within the last 5 days of the month. But I do have ~80days of leave + however many days my Commander gives for PTSY + 15 days to out-process. I've heard that we have up to 90 days to retire after orders drop so I wonder how it'll work for me since I have so much terminal leave to take. I'm sure they'll make me sell a good portion back but I'd prefer if an exemption was made past the 90 days.
I signed my findings on 31 March and waiting for orders.
I don't believe this is true for the Air Force. I've seen people get retirement dates for the first week of the month.
I'm hoping my retirement date falls within the last 5 days of the month. But I do have ~80days of leave + however many days my Commander gives for PTSY + 15 days to out-process. I've heard that we have up to 90 days to retire after orders drop so I wonder how it'll work for me since I have so much terminal leave to take. I'm sure they'll make me sell a good portion back but I'd prefer if an exemption was made past the 90 days.
I signed my findings on 31 March and waiting for orders.
That might me true, but this the Navy timeline space.
For instance, I know other services allow COs to adjust final out dates but the Navy forces you to sell excess leave. I haven't figured out yet, if because they force you to sell leave, if they also pay you for other entitlements (aka BAH/BAS) as part of that leave sell back process. I'll be looking in the next few days for the documentation, in my case.
That might me true, but this the Navy timeline space.
For instance, I know other services allow COs to adjust final out dates but the Navy forces you to sell excess leave. I haven't figured out yet, if because they force you to sell leave, if they also pay you for other entitlements (aka BAH/BAS) as part of that leave sell back process. I'll be looking in the next few days for the documentation, in my case.
You won’t be paid BAH/BAS when you sell back leave. You will be paid base pay only and it will be taxed at around 25% regardless of your withholding choices for pay.
You won’t be paid BAH/BAS when you sell back leave. You will be paid base pay only and it will be taxed at around 25% regardless of your withholding choices for pay.
Well, given that the issue isn't uniform amongst services, and involuntary, I'll be taking some actions behind the scenes, if that's the case. I'll wait for documentation so I can act appropriately.
Well, given that the issue isn't uniform amongst services, and involuntary, I'll be taking some actions behind the scenes, if that's the case. I'll wait for documentation so I can act appropriately.
Perfect, I'm going to use that. The problem is that in the Navy you're not given a choice in a medical separation/retirement. It's legality is questionable given entitlements are effectively rights as earned in the military.
Perfect, I'm going to use that. The problem is that in the Navy you're not given a choice in a medical separation/retirement. It's legality is questionable given entitlements are effectively rights as earned in the military.
You won’t be paid BAH/BAS when you sell back leave. You will be paid base pay only and it will be taxed at around 25% regardless of your withholding choices for pay.
It’s not really a military thing. Bonuses and taxable pay outside of your regular wages are withheld at a higher tax rate when paid. It’s even the same in the corporate world. I’m not 100 percent sure but I believe it’s to ensure your taxes are paid due to it being outside of your normal wages and thus possibly increasing your tax liability. It’s the employer’s discretion on if this is followed though. DFAS follows this rule.
I briefed some influential people on this disparity and seemingly on the first round, they were very receptive which I followed up with my point paper. We'll see if this changes.
I briefed some influential people on this disparity and seemingly on the first round, they were very receptive which I followed up with my point paper. We'll see if this changes.
In all your time in the Navy… no one ever told you leave was more valuable being used as leave versus selling it due to entitlements… even special pays like demo and jump… not being paid?
In all your time in the Navy… no one ever told you leave was more valuable being used as leave versus selling it due to entitlements… even special pays like demo and jump… not being paid?
I acknowledge that having voluntary leave sold is base pay only and you are only allowed to sell 60 days in a career.
The rub is that the Navy is treating leave differently than the Marines, Air Force or Army. Every other service allows the first O-6 in the chain of command to adjust final out dates for those on the PRDL to a date to coincide with allowing the SVM to take all accrued leave and any PTDY entitlements based upon years of service.
This is a violation of the 14th amendment, equal protection clause against entitlements that are written into legislation written by congress and placed into effect by the executive, by a policy derived at the NAVPERSCOM level, and is inconsistent with the law.
Maybe you didn't have the background, but there it is. Now does it make sense?
I acknowledge that having voluntary leave sold is base pay only and you are only allowed to sell 60 days in a career.
The rub is that the Navy is treating leave differently than the Marines, Air Force or Army. Every other service allows the first O-6 in the chain of command to adjust final out dates for those on the PRDL to a date to coincide with allowing the SVM to take all accrued leave and any PTDY entitlements based upon years of service.
This is a violation of the 14th amendment, equal protection clause against entitlements that are written into legislation written by congress and placed into effect by the executive, by a policy derived at the NAVPERSCOM level, and is inconsistent with the law.
Maybe you didn't have the background, but there it is. Now does it make sense?
Not accounting for Special Leave Accrual, a Sailor can carry 60 days forward. If you don't have an SLA reason for greater than 60 days you will lose the days over 60. You are not paid for them. You receive nothing. If this policy exists and isn't in violation of the 14th Amendment... Your argument is invalid.
And yes I have the background. And yes i understand what you are saying, but you are acting like the Navy is going outside of the DOD's own policy. They are not.
Not accounting for Special Leave Accrual, a Sailor can carry 60 days forward. If you don't have an SLA reason for greater than 60 days you will lose the days over 60. You are not paid for them. You receive nothing. If this policy exists and isn't in violation of the 14th Amendment... Your argument is invalid.
And yes I have the background. And yes i understand what you are saying, but you are acting like the Navy is going outside of the DOD's own policy. They are not.
