Looking for some guidance before I contact the Army Gray Area Retirement folks. I have completed IDES and found unfit (60% DoD, "disability, combat related"). I am 57 and have my 20-year letter. I have been on Title 10 CO-ADOS and MOB orders for the last 9 years, and therefor qualify for early age retirement. The transition center at Liberty who is processing my DD214 is telling me I don't need the title 10 codes on my DD214 because I am being medically retired and don't need to request early age retirement. This seems contradictory to everything I have seen on Army Reserve websites. Does anyone have any experience in this? I don't want to sign my DD214 without the title 10 codes and find out I need them. Thanks!
medically retiring title 10 codes on DD214
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Definitely not educated on this, just wanna understand your concerns better and hopefully get the conversation rolling.
You have a 20 year letter and you're being medically retired, a retirement that rates the same benefits of a regular retiree to my knowledge along with the ability to receive concurrent receipt due to your 20 year letter.
What are you afraid of losing out on? I could be mistaken but to my knowledge it doesn't make a difference. Seeking to understand as I'd like to be better educated on your concerns.
You have a 20 year letter and you're being medically retired, a retirement that rates the same benefits of a regular retiree to my knowledge along with the ability to receive concurrent receipt due to your 20 year letter.
What are you afraid of losing out on? I could be mistaken but to my knowledge it doesn't make a difference. Seeking to understand as I'd like to be better educated on your concerns.
Thanks for the response. I guess that is where I am confused. My understanding is that, as a Reservist, I am not eligible for retirement pay until age 60 unless I apply for reduced age retirement. (20 years of AD service is different than receiving 20 qualifiying years in the Reserves, but you probably already know that!) IOT be eligible to begin receiving concurrent MIL retirement along with VA disability, I need to show at least 3 years on Title 10 orders, which will reduce my retirement age to 57. Hoping that makes sense...
Exerp from DFAS. I feel like that example is very close to my situation:
Reserve/Guard members who are retired under Chapter 61 for disability should contact their Branch of Service to determine their eligibility age and creditable service/points, and to ensure that the Branch of Service is in contact with DFAS so that concurrent retired pay may be started. DFAS must receive the information directly from the Branch of Service. Any recalculation of creditable service/points must be addressed with the Branch of Service.
Example: In 2020, a Reservist/Guard member received their NOE notifying the member that they had completed 20 or more years of service computed under 10 U.S.C. § 12732. The member is later retired for disability under Chapter 61 with immediate retired pay (before reaching eligibility age). The member is also entitled to VA Disability Compensation based on a service-connected disability that is rated by VA as 50 percent disabling. The member is not entitled to be paid concurrent military disability retired pay until the member reaches the eligibility age that (s)he otherwise would have been required to reach before military retired pay would have started. The Branch of Service must inform DFAS of the member’s eligibility age and the service that is creditable to compute the concurrent military disability retired pay. This member may only receive concurrent military disability retired pay after reaching eligibility age and only in an amount equal to what the member would have received at eligibility age if (s)he had not been retired for disability under Chapter 61.
I read this as I can't get concurrent retired pay AND VA disability until I am either 60 or apply for reduced age retirement. IOT apply, I need to have the appropriate Title 10 codes on both my orders and on Block 18 of my DD214. The Transition person is saying I don't need it...
I hope that helped clarify my concerns and thanks again for any info.
Exerp from DFAS. I feel like that example is very close to my situation:
Entitlement Amount (for Retirees Who Are Entitled to Retired Pay Due to Retirement Under Chapter 61 for Disability)
Note: For Reserve/Guard members who receive their Notification of Eligibility for Retired Pay at Age 60 (“NOE”) and are later retired under Chapter 61 for disability with immediate retired pay, concurrent retired pay may not be paid until the member reaches the eligibility age that (s)he otherwise would have been required to reach in order to start receiving military retired pay. This is because there is no provision of law under which such a member would be entitled to receive retired pay before eligibility age if the member had not been retired under Chapter 61 for disability.Reserve/Guard members who are retired under Chapter 61 for disability should contact their Branch of Service to determine their eligibility age and creditable service/points, and to ensure that the Branch of Service is in contact with DFAS so that concurrent retired pay may be started. DFAS must receive the information directly from the Branch of Service. Any recalculation of creditable service/points must be addressed with the Branch of Service.
Example: In 2020, a Reservist/Guard member received their NOE notifying the member that they had completed 20 or more years of service computed under 10 U.S.C. § 12732. The member is later retired for disability under Chapter 61 with immediate retired pay (before reaching eligibility age). The member is also entitled to VA Disability Compensation based on a service-connected disability that is rated by VA as 50 percent disabling. The member is not entitled to be paid concurrent military disability retired pay until the member reaches the eligibility age that (s)he otherwise would have been required to reach before military retired pay would have started. The Branch of Service must inform DFAS of the member’s eligibility age and the service that is creditable to compute the concurrent military disability retired pay. This member may only receive concurrent military disability retired pay after reaching eligibility age and only in an amount equal to what the member would have received at eligibility age if (s)he had not been retired for disability under Chapter 61.
I read this as I can't get concurrent retired pay AND VA disability until I am either 60 or apply for reduced age retirement. IOT apply, I need to have the appropriate Title 10 codes on both my orders and on Block 18 of my DD214. The Transition person is saying I don't need it...
I hope that helped clarify my concerns and thanks again for any info.
What you are being told is correct. You are being medically retired and it is effective right away. After medically retiring you notify your Reserve/Guard branch that you have reached the age to your entitlement and they verify it and send a message to DFAS so that you get paid correctly via CRDP. Note: CRDP term is not longer used. Basically you notify your branch, your branch notifies DFAS and then DFAS calculates your new pay. You are limited to the max payment of your earned longevity Reserve Pension + VA compensation. If your Chapter 61 retirement pension amount is a higher amount than the sum of your longevity pension earned via Reserves + VA disability then your pay will not change. This is very rare and happens mostly with Guard/Reserve Soldiers with 20 year letter that are high ranking with low total of points and a high DOD%.
Also, transition at active duty bases have no clue how the Reserves or Guard works. So don't worry about what they say. All you want to ensure is that your chapter 61 retirement paperwork is correct.
Thanks, Provis. I guess the root of my question is about having the correct retirement paperwork, specifically what they need IOT verify my retirement age. In order for the Reserve Branch to verify my reduced-age eligibility, the DD214 NEEDS to include the Title 10 codes, right? (in my case Title 10 USC 12301(d) and 12302). Having the codes on just the orders alone when I submit my packet is not sufficient. Just looking for that verification.
My concern is that if the DD214 does not include the title 10 codes, my packet will be rejected for reduced age retirement.
In this link the second video states the Title 10 codes should be on both your orders and your DD214.
Sorry if I am being redundent. I just want to be clear on my question.
Greatly appreciate all you do for everyone on this forum.
My concern is that if the DD214 does not include the title 10 codes, my packet will be rejected for reduced age retirement.
In this link the second video states the Title 10 codes should be on both your orders and your DD214.
Sorry if I am being redundent. I just want to be clear on my question.
Greatly appreciate all you do for everyone on this forum.
When were your qualified deployments? Were there any on this set of DD214s? If not, you should be good. Did you have any other deployments on previous orders/DD214's to compare? Since you are trying to double check something that is administrative in nature you will probably have to reach out to HRC. You may need the codes or you may not because they can verify without DD214's due to your unique circumstances. I do know that the reduction is done manually so you are going to need to confirm with the HRC personnel that deals with processing it and if the codes are needed it will have to be communicated between the people in HRC that processes medical retirement orders/DD214s and retirement services that process applications in HRC. Out processing at your AD base is not where you are going to get the answer to your questions.
Also, does any of your conditions qualify for CRSC? You may not want to sweat any of this if you expect to receive CRSC and that CRSC amount will make you whole. My wife has a 20 year letter but she joined at age 17. She was medically retired at age 38. After she was medically retired she applied for CRSC and that made her whole so she doesn't need to utilize her 20 year letter at age 60.
Thats what I figured, regarding HRC.
To answer your other questions: My CO-ADOS orders/deployments were from 2015-2024, back to back. So this is my first DD214 with any Title 10 codes. I have a friend's DD214 who served with me and her DD214 has the codes. But she demob'd, not medically retired.
Regarding CRSC, all 60% of the PEB findings/DoD disability are combat coded (V1/V3 instrumentallity of war, during a period of war). I still struggle with how to run both the numbers out between CSRC and CRDP.. My best guess is CRSC - VA offest will be about $2k. CRDP will be around $3200 (before taxes)
To answer your other questions: My CO-ADOS orders/deployments were from 2015-2024, back to back. So this is my first DD214 with any Title 10 codes. I have a friend's DD214 who served with me and her DD214 has the codes. But she demob'd, not medically retired.
Regarding CRSC, all 60% of the PEB findings/DoD disability are combat coded (V1/V3 instrumentallity of war, during a period of war). I still struggle with how to run both the numbers out between CSRC and CRDP.. My best guess is CRSC - VA offest will be about $2k. CRDP will be around $3200 (before taxes)
That's not how it works. You see by law you can't get more than longevity pension earned + VA compensation. If your DOD% for chapter 61 pension is higher than longevity than most likely you would max out compensation via CRSC and the total compensation would be the same. For example, my wife had 75% DOD but her longevity pension earned at 6200 points was about 17AFS. So her longevity was 42.5%. Since she was getting paid much more than longevity by her chapter 61 pension she was only missing out on $1,600 compared to receiving her longevity pension + VA compensation. She was approved for 80% CRSC which is much more than $1,600 but her CRSC payment was $1,600 as that maxed her out.
So even though she has a 20 year letter to get concurrent receipt at age 60 she doesn't need it due to receiving CRSC. Also, CRSC retroactively paid her from the day after she got out so she didn't miss out on any compensation compared to someone who hit 20 years and received their regular 20 year retirement + VA compensation.
Yep. You fill out a CRSC application with your branch.
Interesting..Will your wife have to apply for Retirement at age 60 though? Also, I've hit my 20 year mark and have not received my 20 year letter. My Peblo is saying the records she has show 20 years. Would you fight for a 20 year letter if you're getting medically retired?
Nope. She maxed out pay with her CRSC. There is no reason to apply for her Reserve Retirement at age 60. You can't get more than the combination of your earned longevity pension and VA compensation. You max out compensation with 20 year retirement since you are paid both those things. With CRSC its the same thing. If your chapter 61 pension amount + CRSC amount is the same or greater than your earned longevity + VA compensation you achieve the same results.
Good points…
Another universe: Another veterans site where I participate occasionally includes reports of reduced VA ratings which could impact CRSC.
Most of that veteran population are NOT disability retirees. The themes are more about the VA than CRSC or *CRDP.
Ron
* = name chg
Another universe: Another veterans site where I participate occasionally includes reports of reduced VA ratings which could impact CRSC.
Most of that veteran population are NOT disability retirees. The themes are more about the VA than CRSC or *CRDP.
Ron
* = name chg
Forgot to answer the fight for 20 year letter. If you have earned a 20 year letter it will be issued. It is issued several months after you hit it. If you believe you should have a 20 year letter and haven't received it you can contact HRC. My wife delayed to ensure she had a 20 year letter as a backup. That way she would max out benefits at age 60 if she didn't get approved for CRSC to make her financially whole.
Yeah, i'm fighting with HRC now. They telling me I have 20 credible years and my points shows it but No 20 year letter yet. I'll probably do like your wife and not sign anything the Peblo give me unless I see a 20 year letter. I'm worrying if I don't have it, I won't be able to apply for CRSC or retirement at age 60.
Not a good idea. They don't have anything to do with each other. My wife didn't get her 20 year letter until after she retired. You don't get your 20 letter immediately after hitting 20 years. You don't want to refuse to sign because then you lose control in the IDES process. Not signing doesn't halt the process. They just state Soldier refused to sign and move on. Also, you don't need a 20 year letter to apply for or to receive CRSC. A chapter 61 retirement works. CRSC just requires that you are retired which you will be via Chapter 61.
Yeah, i understand the 20 year letter doesn’t come till later, but HRC guy is saying I have 19 credible years because National Guard didn’t do my date correctly. I’m still in the reserve but I had not been going to monthly drills because i thought i had 20 year & doing the MEB, so i wasn’t getting the points.
You do have a point, since i’m in the Meb technically i’ll be considered retired once i’m done with and get 30% or more DOD.
Question 1: What will happen if i don’t get 20 years? Even if i get CRSC, what will happen at age 60. Since i didn’t do 20 will CRSC go away at 60?
Question 2#. Would you stay 1 more year in the reserve to get the 50 points and tell the MEB to push retirement back to when you will have your 20 credible years, which is June 2025? MEB is expected to be completed in September 2024.
You do have a point, since i’m in the Meb technically i’ll be considered retired once i’m done with and get 30% or more DOD.
Question 1: What will happen if i don’t get 20 years? Even if i get CRSC, what will happen at age 60. Since i didn’t do 20 will CRSC go away at 60?
Question 2#. Would you stay 1 more year in the reserve to get the 50 points and tell the MEB to push retirement back to when you will have your 20 credible years, which is June 2025? MEB is expected to be completed in September 2024.
Question #1. The 20 year letter doesn't affect anything now. When age 60 it can allow you to max out compensation but may not be needed at all. CRSC has nothing to do with 20 year letter. Its another way to recoup the VA offset required by law. If you are approved for CRSC after you get out its possible to max out compensation. If that happens then you don't need the 20 year letter and it doesn't help you at all.
Question #2. Its always nice to have a 20 year letter to fall back on if you can't max out CRSC but you won't know that until you get out. However, you don't get a say in the process once in IDES. You are on their timeline. They will not let you delay it a year. I would be more focused on making sure my IDES is duty related with LOD and that whatever referred conditions you have will be rated 30% or higher. Guard/Reservist have a lot more to lose on that front than worrying about CRDP at age 60. Also, I tell everyone to hire a dedicated private attorney to ensure you get the best result. I will send you some references via direct message. My wife hired one before she was even put in IDES. She had a fit for duty exam scheduled and knew it would lead to being put in IDES. She was AGR so she had to go to the closest AD base to do the exam.