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Army64

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I need you guys help really badly.

I got an Honorable Discharge back in November 2001.

Separation Authority: AR 635-200, PARA 5-13

Separation Code: JFX

Reentry: 3

Narrative Reason For Separation: Personality Disorder

Back then I was really stupid and was so burnout working for the Army that I just didn't care and didn't research the effect this will have for the rest of my life. My unit sent me to a psychiatrist for evaluation and he said I had Adult ADHD. So next thing I know I getting discharge out of the Army.

After my my career in the Army I went to study in college. A few times from 2002-2008 I spoke with a few Army recruiters and their reaction when they saw my DD-214 was discouraging. They said it was almost impossible to be accepted back in the Army. In my opinion I just though they were just been lazy and they didn't want to bother with the long process it would take. All this happen in Puerto Rico.

Now 2009 I move back to the US and spoke to a few recruiters and they all tell me that I can still go back in the Army but I would need to pass physical and psychological evaluation in order to get a waiver.

Now here is my biggest problem.

I told my story to a local recruiter and he is willing help me reenlist back in to active duty. The problem is that my DD-214 does not provide enough information pertaining to my discharge. My recruiter told me that in order for him to go any further (send me to the MEPS for reevaluation) he first needs the documents that explain the grounds in which the Army decided to give me a discharge.

I believe the documents he needs is the MEB or PEB or both. I have no idea what is the difference or which of the two I need.

For my type of discharge, Which document will have the summary explaining the reasons for my discharge?

I already requested my records at U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis (HRC-STL) and they said they don't have my medical records.

I was then told by a representative from U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis (HRC-STL) that because I was discharge out of the Army in 2001 my medical records are at the VA Record Management Center. After I contacted that office they told me that it can take up to 4 months. After explaining for what the documents where for the representative said that if the recruiter requested it over the phone they would fax it to him in 4 to 5 days. Recruiter email me saying that they fax him all kinds of documents except the ones he need it.

This thing is crazy.

I'm going to call everywhere possible again but I need to know what is the specific document I need. Is it the MEB or the PEB? What is the difference between the two?

I can't wait months for these documents. I willing to book a flight to wherever those documents are and get them personally.

Please need suggestions.


***Update***

It turns out that the document I need is "DA FORM 3822-R" (Report of Mental Status Evaluation). I have made a request for it to the “Department of Veterans Affairs Records Management Center”, “Army Human Resources Command”, “National Personnel Records Center” and none of them has my mental health records. I have exhausted every way possible I can think of to get this document. My recruiter says that in order for him to send me to the MEPS for a physical and psychiatric evaluation he would need first to have these documents. I would like to know what does the regulation says to do in cases like mine. I need precise and accurate information in what to do next.
 
Army64,

Welcome! It appears from what you said that you were not separated for physical disability under the PDES (AR 635-40), but rather under the provisions of AR 635-200, Personality Disorder.

If this is correct, I do not think that the MEB/PEB paperwork is what you need. You probably are looking for your separation packet, which should be in your military records. Since they are not, it presents a few issues. You could try doing a FOIA/Privacy Act request to the Office of the Staff Judge Advocate at the installation where you were separated. Given that so much time has passed, it seems unlikely they would have a copy of your records, but you never know.

Do you think that the diagnosis was incorrect? Have later doctors stated you do not have personality disorder or ADHD? If this is the case, you may want to consider petitioning the Army Board for Correction of Military Records to correct the "error or injustice." The fact that the records are not contained in your official military records may, by itself, give an avenue to pursue.

Best of luck, I hope you can meet your goal of re-enlisting.
 
Separation Code: JFX
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Seperation Code JFX is for Personality Disorder.

What were you rated by the military? Did you get severance pay? Did you go through a MEB and PEB? If you went through a PEB you were assigned a PEBLO, you should try to contact him/her for the required information?

When you got out did you change address and notify VA. Your last address that the military has the military would/should have sent your medical records to your nearest VA center where you last lived.
Check them out, they may have since you got out in 2001.

Hope this helps.
 
I am in a similar situation. I recieved a 5-13 JFX RE code 3. I have all the documentation saved. Should I contact a local recruiter or my ROTC Army Liaison Officer at my college? I am about to graduate (BS and Minor)and I want to have the ability to reconsider my dreams. I was never told my diagnoses and the medical forms are very vague. I would like to be re-evaluted by a psychiatrist/MD. I don't take meds and I have not taken any since I was processed out. It has been almost 6 years since seperation. I am 26 and I have been in operations management for a large well respected logistics corporation for 3 years. Thank you for your time and information.
 
I would see if they can help you with a waiver. If all else fails and you are found to not have Personality Disorder, it may take a Board for Correction of Military Records action to correct your DD214.

Hope all works out and that you meet your goals!
 
Thank you for your advice. Does a waiver look better than correcting the RE code with the Board of Corrections? I am considering becoming an officer and I want to mitigrate this as much as possible, so I can be competitive. I have done alot of positive things since I have been out in terms of education and leadership development along with being consistant, I don't want this to hide those accomplishments. Thank you very much for responding, it is highly appreciated.
 
Technically, a waiver would not correct the DD214, it would allow you to serve in spite of the RE Code. I really cannot tell you much about the availability or likelihood of the waiver, the needs of the Service change and the policies change often. A recruiter would likely be a good source of information on this.

I tend to think that you would need to pursue the BCMR route, though. Whichever way route you pursue, I think they would want similar evidence (ideally documentation that you do not have a Personality Disorder, if not, then that you suffer no impact on functional performance/abilities due to the PD....the first would be much stronger for your case).

Hope all goes your way and you are successful in seeking a commission.
 
I need you guys help really badly.

I got an Honorable Discharge back in August 2003.

Separation Authority: AR 635-200, PARA 5-13

Separation Code: JFX

Reentry: 3

Narrative Reason For Separation: Personality Disorder

Back then I was really stupid and was so burnout working for the Army that I just didn't care and didn't research the effect this will have for the rest of my life. My unit sent me to a psychiatrist for evaluation and he said I had Adult ADHD. So next thing I know I getting discharge out of the Army.

After my my career in the Army I went to Truck Driving School and have started a family. A few times from 2004-2008 I spoke with a few Army recruiters and their reaction when they saw my DD-214 was discouraging. They said it was almost impossible to be accepted back in the Army. In my opinion I just though they were just been lazy and they didn't want to bother with the long process it would take. I finally found an Active Duty Recruiter that would work with me but ended up spinning our wheels. We didn't have the paper work we needed for me to be sent to the MEPS. And now I am working with a national guard recuiter that is trying everything and so far we have come up empty handed.

Now 2009 I spoke to a few recruiters and they all tell me that I can still go back in the Army but I would need to pass physical and psychological evaluation in order to get a waiver.

Now here is my biggest problem.

I told my story to a local recruiter and he is willing help me reenlist back in to active duty. The problem is that my DD-214 does not provide enough information pertaining to my discharge. My recruiter told me that in order for him to go any further (send me to the MEPS for reevaluation) he first needs the documents that explain the grounds in which the Army decided to give me a discharge.

I believe the documents he needs is the MEB or PEB or both. I have no idea what is the difference or which of the two I need.

For my type of discharge, Which document will have the summary explaining the reasons for my discharge?

I already requested my records at U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis (HRC-STL) and they said they don't have my medical records.

I was then told by a representative from U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis (HRC-STL) that because I was discharge out of the Army in 2001 my medical records are at the VA Record Management Center. After I contacted that office they told me that it can take up to 4 months. After explaining for what the documents where for the representative said that if the recruiter requested it over the phone they would fax it to him in 4 to 5 days. Recruiter email me saying that they fax him all kinds of documents except the ones he need it.

This thing is crazy.

I'm going to call everywhere possible again but I need to know what is the specific document I need. Is it the MEB or the PEB? What is the difference between the two?

I can't wait months for these documents. I willing to book a flight to wherever those documents are and get them personally.

Please need suggestions.


***Update***

It turns out that the document I need is "DA FORM 3822-R" (Report of Mental Status Evaluation). I have made a request for it to the “Department of Veterans Affairs Records Management Center”, “Army Human Resources Command”, “National Personnel Records Center” and none of them has my mental health records. I have exhausted every way possible I can think of to get this document. My recruiter says that in order for him to send me to the MEPS for a physical and psychiatric evaluation he would need first to have these documents. I would like to know what does the regulation says to do in cases like mine. I need precise and accurate information in what to do next.
 
I know that the Air Force have started to get really big on HIPA (privacy laws) so it may just be a matter that someone (whoever) has your medical records cannot send them to you because of the privacy act.
Did your recruiter said a privacy waiver? Because if the person on the other end of the phone said that they would "just fax em over" with out a waiver, then someone isn't telling the truth - way way way illegal and someone would get into huge trouble.

But, other than the above, I also thought of this:

I skimmed through the postings below and cant tell if you actually contacted the doctor/clinic that diagnosed you - even if you have been out of the service for a while things are still computerised and may very well be kept at the office that dignosed you.

I know it is frustrating, but I would start at the begining again.

Call the doctor's office where you originally were diagnosed. If he/she are no longer there. Ask where they moved (PCSed - not sure if thats what the Armay calls it) to - you never know, you may get lucky and they may remember you. It may be worth a shot and they may even be able to write you something to give to the MEPS.

Good luck!
 
The VA and DoD do not need a DD 2870 for release of records between covered entities (one medical records section or treatment facility to another). However, in order to release to an individual (such as your recruiter) it is likely that they will require a signature from you.

Contact them and find out just what form they want.

Discharge for personality disorder is adminstrative. There was no MEB or PEB, but there was a mental health evaluation done by a licensed psychiatrist or clinical psychologist. You'll need a copy of that. You'll also likely be required to show what has changed between then and now, and prove that you are fit for duty. The burden of proof will be on you...so you'll want to see your current doctor and get an objective medical opinion on your current state. Be sure to check out AR 40-501, Chapter 2 to determine whether or not you meet enlistment standards. This will give you a good idea of what you will be up against.

Good luck to you.

SGT P
 
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