Upgrading P3 Profile to add additional P3's?

Hello everyone! I am a new member and I have a potentially weird question. I apologize upfront for the lengthy post:oops:. I am AD Army, currently in the IDES process and just entered the PEB stage. I only have 1 P3 disqualifying (DQ) condition (my referring condition) out of 30+ conditions. I won't gripe too much about that, all I will say is that at least 3 more of my other conditions should have also been found to be DQ. I'm not being biased but these conditions prevent me from performing not only my daily MOS duties, but also basic soldiering tasks. See example below.

The third condition is for my migraines. Per AR 40-501 (Standards of Medical Fitness): ". Migraine, tension, or cluster headaches. When manifested by incapacitating attacks that interfere with duty or social activities three or more days per month. All such Soldiers will be referred to a neurologist, who will ascertain the cause of the headaches. The neurologist will determine whether prophylactic therapy (up to 6 months) or referral to the DES is warranted. If the headaches are not adequately controlled at the end of the 6 months, the Soldier will be referred to the DES. If the neurologist feels the Soldier is unlikely to respond to therapy, the Soldier can be referred directly to the DES." The red highlight is what applies to my situation. I was initially seen by Neuro after having chronic daily migraines for 6 months after suffering a mTBI and Neuro referred me to the TBI clinic for evaluation and treatment. As stated in my visit summaries from the TBI clinic, after a year of treatment there with various medications (prophylactic therapy) and Botox injections, I am still having 15 migraines per month. Some of which are prostrating attacks. Additionally, I have been on a temporary profile for migraines for the majority of the last 14 months, though admittedly, it has not been continuously. My profiles have always annotated that my migraines prevent me from firing my weapon, wearing my ACH, wearing body armor, riding in a military vehicle (the noise is too loud), wearing my pro mask, no airborne operations, etc.

I did not request an IMR or submit a rebuttal for the MEB because I was told to instead see what the PEB comes back with since they are in fact the final determination authority of what is and isn't a DQ condition. If the PEB does not come back with the additional DQ conditions that we are hoping for, then we will submit an appeal. My question is, is it possible for me to have my specialty doctors, or Neuro for the above condition, amend my permanent profile to upgrade applicable PULHES categories from 1 to P3 while I am in the PEB stage? I am currently on 3 different temporary profiles, 1 being for my migraines.

Any advice is welcomed and appreciated. :):)

- Dory214
 
Hello everyone! I am a new member and I have a potentially weird question. I apologize upfront for the lengthy post:oops:. I am AD Army, currently in the IDES process and just entered the PEB stage. I only have 1 P3 disqualifying (DQ) condition (my referring condition) out of 30+ conditions. I won't gripe too much about that, all I will say is that at least 3 more of my other conditions should have also been found to be DQ. I'm not being biased but these conditions prevent me from performing not only my daily MOS duties, but also basic soldiering tasks. See example below.

The third condition is for my migraines. Per AR 40-501 (Standards of Medical Fitness): ". Migraine, tension, or cluster headaches. When manifested by incapacitating attacks that interfere with duty or social activities three or more days per month. All such Soldiers will be referred to a neurologist, who will ascertain the cause of the headaches. The neurologist will determine whether prophylactic therapy (up to 6 months) or referral to the DES is warranted. If the headaches are not adequately controlled at the end of the 6 months, the Soldier will be referred to the DES. If the neurologist feels the Soldier is unlikely to respond to therapy, the Soldier can be referred directly to the DES." The red highlight is what applies to my situation. I was initially seen by Neuro after having chronic daily migraines for 6 months after suffering a mTBI and Neuro referred me to the TBI clinic for evaluation and treatment. As stated in my visit summaries from the TBI clinic, after a year of treatment there with various medications (prophylactic therapy) and Botox injections, I am still having 15 migraines per month. Some of which are prostrating attacks. Additionally, I have been on a temporary profile for migraines for the majority of the last 14 months, though admittedly, it has not been continuously. My profiles have always annotated that my migraines prevent me from firing my weapon, wearing my ACH, wearing body armor, riding in a military vehicle (the noise is too loud), wearing my pro mask, no airborne operations, etc.

I did not request an IMR or submit a rebuttal for the MEB because I was told to instead see what the PEB comes back with since they are in fact the final determination authority of what is and isn't a DQ condition. If the PEB does not come back with the additional DQ conditions that we are hoping for, then we will submit an appeal. My question is, is it possible for me to have my specialty doctors, or Neuro for the above condition, amend my permanent profile to upgrade applicable PULHES categories from 1 to P3 while I am in the PEB stage? I am currently on 3 different temporary profiles, 1 being for my migraines.

Any advice is welcomed and appreciated. :):)

- Dory214
Wow that was terrible advice about not challenging things early! Who gave you it? FYI PEBLO's are paper pushers and know nothing other than their goal to try to get you through the process ASAP. I HIGHLY recommend hiring a dedicated private attorney. My wife did and was able to have additional conditions added though I think her chances were better than most since her dedicated private attorney help craft her case from the start and challenged things that were wrong at each stage of the process.

Other than hire dedicated private attorney the only thing to do is gather evidence to support your case. Now the only way to have it added if the iPEB comes back as fitting for those conditions you will need to request a FPEB. That was absolutely terrible advice on waiting to see if they add it! My wife was able to have the added by the MEB doctors at the NARSUM stage without needing to appeal because of her attorney being proactive and due to my wife's leadership allowing her to have input on her commander's impact statement. she was referred for Chronic Sinusitis and Migraines but was able to get mental health added at the NARSUM stage. Also, whatever the NARSUM says generally the iPEB will rule the same. The FPEB which is a way to appeal the iPEB is going to look at your whole body of work and wonder why you didn't challenge the unfitting nature of your migraines and now all of the sudden you want to have it added.
 
Hello everyone! I am a new member and I have a potentially weird question. I apologize upfront for the lengthy post:oops:. I am AD Army, currently in the IDES process and just entered the PEB stage. I only have 1 P3 disqualifying (DQ) condition (my referring condition) out of 30+ conditions. I won't gripe too much about that, all I will say is that at least 3 more of my other conditions should have also been found to be DQ. I'm not being biased but these conditions prevent me from performing not only my daily MOS duties, but also basic soldiering tasks. See example below.

The third condition is for my migraines. Per AR 40-501 (Standards of Medical Fitness): ". Migraine, tension, or cluster headaches. When manifested by incapacitating attacks that interfere with duty or social activities three or more days per month. All such Soldiers will be referred to a neurologist, who will ascertain the cause of the headaches. The neurologist will determine whether prophylactic therapy (up to 6 months) or referral to the DES is warranted. If the headaches are not adequately controlled at the end of the 6 months, the Soldier will be referred to the DES. If the neurologist feels the Soldier is unlikely to respond to therapy, the Soldier can be referred directly to the DES." The red highlight is what applies to my situation. I was initially seen by Neuro after having chronic daily migraines for 6 months after suffering a mTBI and Neuro referred me to the TBI clinic for evaluation and treatment. As stated in my visit summaries from the TBI clinic, after a year of treatment there with various medications (prophylactic therapy) and Botox injections, I am still having 15 migraines per month. Some of which are prostrating attacks. Additionally, I have been on a temporary profile for migraines for the majority of the last 14 months, though admittedly, it has not been continuously. My profiles have always annotated that my migraines prevent me from firing my weapon, wearing my ACH, wearing body armor, riding in a military vehicle (the noise is too loud), wearing my pro mask, no airborne operations, etc.

I did not request an IMR or submit a rebuttal for the MEB because I was told to instead see what the PEB comes back with since they are in fact the final determination authority of what is and isn't a DQ condition. If the PEB does not come back with the additional DQ conditions that we are hoping for, then we will submit an appeal. My question is, is it possible for me to have my specialty doctors, or Neuro for the above condition, amend my permanent profile to upgrade applicable PULHES categories from 1 to P3 while I am in the PEB stage? I am currently on 3 different temporary profiles, 1 being for my migraines.

Any advice is welcomed and appreciated. :):)

- Dory214
This was my exact same situation.

My neurologist gave me a fit for duty evaluation and deemed me unfit. That record in writing plus some additional trialed treatments was enough for the the IPEB to add the condition as disqualifying, a few weeks after I submitted a written appeal and requested a FPEB.

I got notice just this week that the IPEB took into consideration those new neurology documents and would be issuing me a new 199 by next week.

It took an additional 3 weeks of waiting and months of getting in to see a specialist but it was worth it!
 
This was my exact same situation.

My neurologist gave me a fit for duty evaluation and deemed me unfit. That record in writing plus some additional trialed treatments was enough for the the IPEB to add the condition as disqualifying, a few weeks after I submitted a written appeal and requested a FPEB.

I got notice just this week that the IPEB took into consideration those new neurology documents and would be issuing me a new 199 by next week.

It took an additional 3 weeks of waiting and months of getting in to see a specialist but it was worth it!
Did you request a fit for duty exam yourself fron the neurologist? Or did they do it on there own accord
 
Wow that was terrible advice about not challenging things early! Who gave you it? FYI PEBLO's are paper pushers and know nothing other than their goal to try to get you through the process ASAP. I HIGHLY recommend hiring a dedicated private attorney. My wife did and was able to have additional conditions added though I think her chances were better than most since her dedicated private attorney help craft her case from the start and challenged things that were wrong at each stage of the process.

Other than hire dedicated private attorney the only thing to do is gather evidence to support your case. Now the only way to have it added if the iPEB comes back as fitting for those conditions you will need to request a FPEB. That was absolutely terrible advice on waiting to see if they add it! My wife was able to have the added by the MEB doctors at the NARSUM stage without needing to appeal because of her attorney being proactive and due to my wife's leadership allowing her to have input on her commander's impact statement. she was referred for Chronic Sinusitis and Migraines but was able to get mental health added at the NARSUM stage. Also, whatever the NARSUM says generally the iPEB will rule the same. The FPEB which is a way to appeal the iPEB is going to look at your whole body of work and wonder why you didn't challenge the unfitting nature of your migraines and now all of the sudden you want to have it added.
Thank you for the detailed response as well as for the additional information. I will look into what you provided me. Thank you!
 
This was my exact same situation.

My neurologist gave me a fit for duty evaluation and deemed me unfit. That record in writing plus some additional trialed treatments was enough for the the IPEB to add the condition as disqualifying, a few weeks after I submitted a written appeal and requested a FPEB.

I got notice just this week that the IPEB took into consideration those new neurology documents and would be issuing me a new 199 by next week.

It took an additional 3 weeks of waiting and months of getting in to see a specialist but it was worth it!
SeaTurtle,

Congratulations on getting your Neuro condition upgraded to unfit. It is comforting to hear that someone else was successful getting a neuro condition added. I just need to get in to see neuro sooner rather than later which may be somewhat difficult with the way the healthcare system runs where I'm located. Fingers crossed! I'll keep you all updated.
 
Did you request a fit for duty exam yourself fron the neurologist? Or did they do it on there own accord

Unfortunately like the majority of this process my experience has been that you have to be your own advocate all the way through.
I had asked my PCM to refer me to neurology multiple time over a period of 8 months. After a few unrelated unprofessional experiences with that PCM I began booking appointments exclusively with the MD at my clinic, also my BDE’s Surgeon. I booked an appointment with him with the intent to be referred to they neurologist, his immediate response was of course and “we should’ve got you over there sooner.”

A month later at the neurologist I specifically asked for a “fit for duty assessment.” The neurologist was immediately skeptical until I explained my situation, past treatments, and current symptoms.
His note evaluated my condition against my duty requirements and found that I was unfit, with a recommendation to IDES for migraines.
I recommend doing this much earlier in the process. Had I been a squeakier wheel and found the forum earlier my timeline would’ve looked a lot different!
 
Unfortunately like the majority of this process my experience has been that you have to be your own advocate all the way through.
I had asked my PCM to refer me to neurology multiple time over a period of 8 months. After a few unrelated unprofessional experiences with that PCM I began booking appointments exclusively with the MD at my clinic, also my BDE’s Surgeon. I booked an appointment with him with the intent to be referred to they neurologist, his immediate response was of course and “we should’ve got you over there sooner.”

A month later at the neurologist I specifically asked for a “fit for duty assessment.” The neurologist was immediately skeptical until I explained my situation, past treatments, and current symptoms.
His note evaluated my condition against my duty requirements and found that I was unfit, with a recommendation to IDES for migraines.
I recommend doing this much earlier in the process. Had I been a squeakier wheel and found the forum earlier my timeline would’ve looked a lot different!
Thanks for the response. I've been seeing neurology for 8 months post TBI. I've tried multiple prophylatic treatments and nerve blocks. Still not controlled. I'm currently waiting on my NARSUM rebuttal. MEB doc did t find them unfitting since there was no profile even though I asked for one several times and in his last note he records that I still have 2 prostrating attacks per week. So I'm hoping a fit for duty assessment will help in the IPEB if my rebuttal isn't granted.
Thank you for your response
 
Thanks for the response. I've been seeing neurology for 8 months post TBI. I've tried multiple prophylatic treatments and nerve blocks. Still not controlled. I'm currently waiting on my NARSUM rebuttal. MEB doc did t find them unfitting since there was no profile even though I asked for one several times and in his last note he records that I still have 2 prostrating attacks per week. So I'm hoping a fit for duty assessment will help in the IPEB if my rebuttal isn't granted.
Thank you for your response
I’m sorry that they’re being difficult. I would definitely rebutt the narsum and make sure your getting referred for what you want before going into the PEB and VA ratings stage. I would’ve been out of the service months ago if I had taken a few weeks to square my paperwork away at that stage.
As you continue through the process my experience has been that things only take longer. My final 199 has been sitting on someone’s desk for a week now. My PEBLO says he can see that it’s waiting approval to distribute.
Everything seems to sit on someone’s desk until they get to the certain day in the week where they review or send something out or finally read their inbox. 3 emails with a single document getting passed around ends up taking a month!
 
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