My case has been at the Chief of Naval Personnel since May. I guess they need till November to decide lol.
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Medical Separation and Admin Separation
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My case has been at the Chief of Naval Personnel since May. I guess they need till November to decide lol.
Sure, makes sense. CNP has been ruling on these cases for a few months now, and every single case goes from him as the Consolidated Disposition Authority, to PERS, who is the Navy’s Separation Authority. So I’m sure whoever your command talked to at PERS was just saying what they’ve seen based on many dozen of these cases already.Well, my case is going to the Chief of Naval Personnel but when my command reached out to PERS, they said that is what is most likely going to happen and I will need to be extended.
ETA: Earlier I called CNP the “Separation Authority” for these cases, when I meant the Consolidated Disposition Authority. Wrong terminology used, sorry for confusion.
LOL. PERS doesn't make that call anyway. I don't even know who the CCDA Sep Authority is anymore. It used to be the CNO, then it went to the CNP, then it was changed again. I just hope my command forgets about my refusal and lets me retire/separate normally. And medical discharge 99% of the time overrides anything else, so I doubt many people have been overridden for that. The cases I've been seeing where "medical separation/retirement is overridden" is when that member also has other offenses such as a drug charge for example.So, PERS wants to null and void my medical discharge that would be happening on 29AUG22 and kick me out under the admin sep. They also want to extend me through November to do so. Most irrational, fucked shit ever. I ask my chain of command, "So, they want to extend me pass my discharge date just to discharge me later?" How does that make any sense? lol
Last I saw in message traffic, CCDA is still CNP.LOL. PERS doesn't make that call anyway. I don't even know who the CCDA Sep Authority is anymore. It used to be the CNO, then it went to the CNP, then it was changed again. I just hope my command forgets about my refusal and lets me retire/separate normally. And medical discharge 99% of the time overrides anything else, so I doubt many people have been overridden for that. The cases I've been seeing where "medical separation/retirement is overridden" is when that member also has other offenses such as a drug charge for example.
Thanks! My command has told me so many things I don’t even know anymore haha.Last I saw in message traffic, CCDA is still CNP.
Administrative discharges override medical discharges even if the medical was started before the administrative. the only thing that will change is that you will lose the DOD rating and will not receive a severanceI signed my findings this week, and I was found to be unfit, so I am getting medically separated now. The issue that is arising is that I am also getting administratively separated due to my refusal to receive the Covid-19 vaccination. I know that's a whole different topic and that's for a completely different time, but I am here mainly to wonder: which one will I get separated under? I am receiving an honorable discharge for the administrative separation so no matter what I will be receiving my benefits. I am just trying to understand which discharge the Navy will discharge me under.
That’s not always true. I saw someone get medically retired over their admin sep for the covid vaccine refusal.Administrative discharges override medical discharges even if the medical was started before the administrative. the only thing that will change is that you will lose the DOD rating and will not receive a severance
I just completed the process in April, and there are 3 times in which it is asked "is SM pending Administrative Actions" and if its checked yes, it should stop the MEB until the conclusion and decision of the AAThat’s not always true. I saw someone get medically retired over their admin sep for the covid vaccine refusal.
Key word is MEB. OP is past the MEB phase. Once in PEB/awaiting PEB findings/awaiting separation or retirement, the process is different. MEB is before a package is even compiled or sent off to be evaluated by the board.I just completed the process in April, and there are 3 times in which it is asked "is SM pending Administrative Actions" and if its checked yes, it should stop the MEB until the conclusion and decision of the AA
im encompassing the entire process as a MEB. even the PEB portion and the 199 has the blurb nowKey word is MEB. OP is past the MEB phase. Once in PEB/awaiting PEB findings/awaiting separation or retirement, the process is different. MEB is before a package is even compiled or sent off to be evaluated by the board.
Well, I don’t know what branch you are or what your paperwork looked like, but all of mine never asks if you are pending any Admin actions, it specifically asks if you are pending PEB/PEB findings, and I along with everyone else at my command has been told that the PEB supercedes and the covid refusal doesn’t stop a PEB. For the Navy, once you are awaiting your package back/accepted PEB findings your IDES case cannot be closed out for something administrative, it becomes a dual process, hence why the OP is wondering what his outcome will be from the Separation Authority.im encompassing the entire process as a MEB. even the PEB portion and the 199 has the blurb now
**Speaking for Navy here since this a Navy forum**im encompassing the entire process as a MEB. even the PEB portion and the 199 has the blurb now
@Ajdickhoff, you’re using some incorrect terminology. The entire process is *not* the MEB. If legal proceedings start during the MEB phase, the MEB will go on hold. If legal proceedings start during PEB phase, sometimes the PEB will go on pause, sometimes the proceedings will finish and the disability separation/retirement date will be extended. If legal proceedings are right at the end of PEB or after, then the disability separation/retirement is put on hold until proceedings are complete.
Part of the decision whether to proceed with an admin sep due to legal issues, or proceed with the disability sep/retirement, is based on severity of the admin/legal issue. The lawyers get involved, and to an outsider (IANAL), it doesn’t seem like there is a set standard based on the title of the offense. For instance, the vaccine refusal, I believe has gone both ways. Severity of the offense and finding of the military legal process has a lot to do with it. Again, IANAL, and this is just observation from the outside.
I was going through a meb and dual process for denying the vaccine as well. They chose to give me a gen under honorable discharge instead of me receiving the meb. Next month in December will be my 6 month mark to try to upgrade my discharge. However, I was trying to wait to see if anyone was going to pass a bill automatically upgrading all the general discharges. I’m sure there are going to be so many applications of people trying to upgrade their discharge that they will just make it easier.
were you Navy? and if you weren’t in the PEB phase yet, that would make sense for them to stop the whole process and administratively separate you since you weren’t pending any findings at that point.I was going through a meb and dual process for denying the vaccine as well. They chose to give me a gen under honorable discharge instead of me receiving the meb. Next month in December will be my 6 month mark to try to upgrade my discharge. However, I was trying to wait to see if anyone was going to pass a bill automatically upgrading all the general discharges. I’m sure there are going to be so many applications of people trying to upgrade their discharge that they will just make it easier.
for me, I had been pending PEB findings for a few months when the whole Covid separations started, and I was permitted to medically separate and there was nothing about the admin stuff for me on my DD214.
I was Army. I was in the peb process. Started meb in December, finished C&P exams mid-March and in June I was given orders and the news that it was not in favor of meb. I was in process of receiving my ratings however I was told by my peblo that my ratings were being held until the CG made a decision on whether I would be admin separated or not.were you Navy? and if you weren’t in the PEB phase yet, that would make sense for them to stop the whole process and administratively separate you since you weren’t pending any findings at that point.
for me, I had been pending PEB findings for a few months when the whole Covid separations started, and I was permitted to medically separate and there was nothing about the admin stuff for me on my DD214.
wow. it’s crazy what a difference it was between branchesI was Army. I was in the peb process. Started meb in December, finished C&P exams mid-March and in June I was given orders and the news that it was not in favor of meb. I was in process of receiving my ratings however I was told by my peblo that my ratings were being held until the CG made a decision on whether I would be admin separated or not.