CRSC questions/concerns

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Good afternoon,

I went through the MEB process about two years ago (2021), and was found 70% DoD due to MH, and 100% VA. I recently applied for CRSC. My 199 states a few times that my disability is a direct result of Armed conflict. My DBQ letter from the VA states the same. I sent my deployment award, DD214, and the other documents I mentioned to the CRSC email just yesterday. My question is - how likely am I to be approved for CRSC from a MH condition? It seems a lot of the CRSC paperwork is built more towards physical disabilities rather than mental ones. I have attached my DA199 for reference.InkedDD199 PEB Findings_Page_1_LI.jpgInkedDD199 PEB Findings_Page_2_LI.jpg
 
Hello,

Ref: “I went through the MEB process about two years ago (2021), and was found 70% DoD due to MH, and 100% VA. I recently applied for CRSC.”

The CRSC replaces some or all waived retired for combat related disabilities. Those disabilities are within the VA rating (which you did not elaborate on). Opinion: The DOD information might complement the VA rating info, but the VA documentation is important.

Someone else might offer a potential outcome; I usually comment only on the approval of presumptives .

Good luck,
Ron
 
HUNTER56 said:
Good afternoon,

I went through the MEB process about two years ago (2021), and was found 70% DoD due to MH, and 100% VA. I recently applied for CRSC. My 199 states a few times that my disability is a direct result of Armed conflict. My DBQ letter from the VA states the same. I sent my deployment award, DD214, and the other documents I mentioned to the CRSC email just yesterday. My question is - how likely am I to be approved for CRSC from a MH condition? It seems a lot of the CRSC paperwork is built more towards physical disabilities rather than mental ones. I have attached my DA199 for reference.View attachment 9353View attachment 9354
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What is the deployment award?
 
I was rated 100% CRSC and 70% of it was related to PTSD. I have a CAB and NCOER and injuries related to combat. Many get approved due to the mental health diagnosis related to their combat experiences.
 
ArmyChiefTech said:
I was rated 100% CRSC and 70% of it was related to PTSD. I have a CAB and NCOER and injuries related to combat. Many get approved due to the mental health diagnosis related to their combat experiences.
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Thanks for the info Chief! Just stressing out about this stuff as most people in the forum are. lol
 
HUNTER56 said:
An AAM.. gotta love the rank based award system. It started out as an ARCOM but was later downgraded. Just the typical deployment info is on it "service in a combat zone" etc.
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That is very unlikely to be enough for CRSC approval. It must be a specific incident with a specific date.
 
JMATTK said:
That is very unlikely to be enough for CRSC approval. It must be a specific incident with a specific date.
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Gotcha. It's difficult to trace a MH issue to a single incident. I suppose I should probably ask my old OIC to write up a letter corroborating specific events? My deployment was kind of unique in that I was an individual augmentee and didn't have the admin support of a real unit.
 
This is how I explained it on my form that aligned with my VA rating to HRC's CSRC decision. And since I had a CAB, that was the justification they needed besides the other documentation I sent. What was your MOS and what did you do in Iraq?
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HUNTER56 said:
An AAM.. gotta love the rank based award system. It started out as an ARCOM but was later downgraded. Just the typical deployment info is on it "service in a combat zone" etc.
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I did see junior enlisted and junior NCOs (SSG) get an MSM or ARCOM (with valor) due to their experiences in combat. Depends on the unit. As a junior officer, I received a BSM for my efforts in Afghanistan, leading a team and there were officers senior than me (in my unit) who just received an ARCOM. That is command decisions and guidance and yes; not always fair since usually the joes do the brunt of the work.
 
ArmyChiefTech said:
This is how I explained it on my form that aligned with my VA rating to HRC's CSRC decision. And since I had a CAB, that was the justification they needed besides the other documentation I sent. What was your MOS and what did you do in Iraq?
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CAB works for essentially automatic CRSC approval for mental health conditions.
 
JMATTK said:
CAB works for essentially automatic CRSC approval for mental health conditions.
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That is correct. But I knew some fobbits received a CAB because rockets just hit their FOB (it was nowhere near their hooches because I was there to see it), while they were playing video games. And their command put everyone in for a CAB for that attack. I was not awarded it since I already had a CAB for Iraq and since Iraq/Afghanistan fell under the same theater of conflict, only one CAB.
 
ArmyChiefTech said:
That is correct. But I knew some fobbits received a CAB because rockets just hit their FOB (it was nowhere near their hooches because I was there to see it), while they were playing video games. And their command put everyone in for a CAB for that attack. I was not awarded it since I already had a CAB for Iraq and since Iraq/Afghanistan fell under the same theater of conflict, only one CAB
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Opinions on deployment awards and experiences certainly vary. For the CRSC discussion, fair or not, a CAB is basically an automatic approval.
 
JMATTK said:
Opinions on deployment awards and experiences certainly vary. For the CRSC discussion, fair or not, a CAB is basically an automatic approval.
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Yes, and I understand why. But IMO, there should be further justification than simply having a CAB/CAR.
 
ArmyChiefTech said:
That is correct. But I knew some fobbits received a CAB because rockets just hit their FOB (it was nowhere near their hooches because I was there to see it), while they were playing video games. And their command put everyone in for a CAB for that attack. I was not awarded it since I already had a CAB for Iraq and since Iraq/Afghanistan fell under the same theater of conflict, only one CAB.
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That is interesting. There were occasional rockets fired where I was located in Vietnam and none came near me. I spent a year in VN and departed without an award of any type. I did not deserve one in my opinion.

I did my job accurately and did nothing valorous. Just a SP4 waiting for his DEROS.

Ron
 
RonG said:
That is interesting. There were occasional rockets fired where I was located in Vietnam and none came near me. I spent a year in VN and departed without an award of any type. I did not deserve one in my opinion.

I did my job accurately and did nothing valorous. Just a SP4 waiting for his DEROS.

Ron
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I will tell you that while I have no doubt CABs have been issued in error, I have not witnessed that. Through 4 years in combat zones at varying levels including as an OIC, I have never seen a CAB issued to someone who wasn’t engaged in actual combat. I witnessed 100% of CABs through multiple different types of units being issued correctly.
 
RonG said:
That is interesting. There were occasional rockets fired where I was located in Vietnam and none came near me. I spent a year in VN and departed without an award of any type. I did not deserve one in my opinion.

I did my job accurately and did nothing valorous. Just a SP4 waiting for his DEROS.

Ron
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I believe that during your era, there was different criteria for recognition in combat. I was a Marine for four years and even to get a Navy Achievement Medal requires pulling teeth. You do not even get a NAV as a PCS award lol. But during that deployment we lost our Command Sergeant Major - Army Command Sgt. Maj. Kevin J. Griffin| Military Times and CPT Groberg received an MOH during that suicide bomber attack. I was with 4IBCT, 4th Infantry Division, during that time at Fort Carson from 2011 to 2014. Captain Florent Groberg | Medal of Honor Recipient | The United States Army
 
JMATTK said:
I will tell you that while I have no doubt CABs have been issued in error, I have not witnessed that. Through 4 years in combat zones at varying levels including as an OIC, I have never seen a CAB issued to someone who wasn’t engaged in actual combat. I witnessed 100% of CABs through multiple different types of units being issued correctly.
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Unfortunately, I have; besides the time I mentioned, I also saw when I was in a Medical Unit called a CSH (formerly MASH) in Afghanistan. Our G1 (LTC) wrote themselves up for a CAB and you will probably roll your eyes as to the reason why.
 
ArmyChiefTech said:
Unfortunately, I have; besides the time I mentioned, I also saw when I was in a Medical Unit called a CSH (formerly MASH) in Afghanistan. Our G1 (LTC) wrote themselves up for a CAB and you will probably roll your eyes as to the reason why.
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I don't have a CAB. Never felt like I deserved one, I saw many people around me get them for some uh, questionable reasons. But I was a traveling fobbit. Indirect fire? sure but I never had to shoot anyone and for that reason I never pressed the issue. Saw plenty of wounded/dead throughout my time as a Chaplain assistant, but again, I am kinda old school I always felt like the CAB/CIB was reserved for the ones who were in firefights.
 
HUNTER56 said:
I don't have a CAB. Never felt like I deserved one, I saw many people around me get them for some uh, questionable reasons. But I was a traveling fobbit. Indirect fire? sure but I never had to shoot anyone and for that reason I never pressed the issue. Saw plenty of wounded/dead throughout my time as a Chaplain assistant, but again, I am kinda old school I always felt like the CAB/CIB was reserved for the ones who were in firefights.
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It’s not really about old school or new school. The regulation for a CAB is pretty well defined. Indirect fire unless it was very close think like close enough to cause an injury it doesn’t warrant a CAB. Does it happen? Sure. Is it super common - not really. It’s mostly applied properly.
 
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