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TDRL
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If I'm not mistaken, it was about 3 to 5 days after my effective TDRL date when I received my cash for selling leave. It was really fast, plus I called my finance office, so they processed my pay pretty quick (I know a lot of people in finance too, so that probably helped). Let me know if you have more questions.
I was wondering, how would you deal with the TDRL if you were rated at 90% disabled on the TDRL. Due to my conditions I am not able to find a full time job or anything. I was rated for PTSD 70%, knees and shoulders at 20% each, and migraines and back at 10% each. How much documentation am I going to need to keep on providing. I have already been told that I will at a minimum still be going to Mental Health for at least the four times a week, that I am now along with seeing all of my other doctors twice a month. I have been given a service animal for my PTSD and how is that going to affect the outcome when I go back to TDRL in one year?
I was also wondering about how my PEBLO told me in his office how there is no one in the Army right now that is being rated for PTSD or TBI that will be permanently retired. How can the Army just make guidance across the board where everyone who has a certain condition needs to be made to go to the TDRL. I thought that if you were given a percentage above 70 you were supposed to go to the PDRL not the TDRL, because the cutoff for you to receive pay is at 75% of your pay if you are in the TDRL which makes me lose over $500 a month.
Lastly, will I have to go to the VA for treatment if I am staying within 5 miles of the MTF that treated me for some of my conditions. I remember reading that SM were given 5 years of free health care for conditions that the were medically separated for. I do not want to have to leave my PTSD Group behind and have to start over again.
I was also wondering about how my PEBLO told me in his office how there is no one in the Army right now that is being rated for PTSD or TBI that will be permanently retired. How can the Army just make guidance across the board where everyone who has a certain condition needs to be made to go to the TDRL. I thought that if you were given a percentage above 70 you were supposed to go to the PDRL not the TDRL, because the cutoff for you to receive pay is at 75% of your pay if you are in the TDRL which makes me lose over $500 a month.
Lastly, will I have to go to the VA for treatment if I am staying within 5 miles of the MTF that treated me for some of my conditions. I remember reading that SM were given 5 years of free health care for conditions that the were medically separated for. I do not want to have to leave my PTSD Group behind and have to start over again.
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Moosesjr,
Welcome! As you point out, below, your pay is capped at 75%. Have you just been placed on TDRL? Are you asking about why they did that? The criteria is that there is a likelihood that your condition will change over the 5 years to make a difference for rating purposes.
Not sure what the PEBLO was referencing, there has been a recent change in Army policy that if separated for a stressful event, you will be rated at a minimum of 50% and reevaluated. There is a rule that "members with unstable conditions rated at a minimum of 80 percent and which are not expected to improve to less than an 80% rating, shall be permanently retired." DoDI 1332.38.
It is hard to know how your condition will change by the time they do your re-evaluation or what the PEB will do. But most people on TDRL are eventually permanently retired. Best thing you can do is keep up on getting your condition documented. As you get closer to the re-eval, ask any questions you have here.
I hope things go well for you.
Moosejr,
I can appreciate what you are saying, and what you are feeling.
Yes, its frustrating to deal with all this.
At 60% I can't even think about working. Just getting out of bed and trying to make something of each day is difficult.
I found out 2 weeks ago that my TDRL date is 20 Oct-yep, Monday. Blue Retirement ID Card.
In regards to your MTF: I went in today to make sure my medical coverage was good to go....with my back, I don't know what is going to happen day to day...and I need to know where to go and that I'm covered. I'm 25 minutes from my base and through TRICARE I got to pick my base as my MTF. So, I would assume you can keep your MTF thats 5 miles away as your MTF/provider. Because we are medically retired there should be no break in our medical coverage. So, make sure that when you are TDRL that DEERS has you updated and if you choose TRICARE PRIME (~$200yr for me) you should be able to pick your MTF. I hope that is the case for you and you can relax a little bit.
Take care and best wishes.
Chinook
I can appreciate what you are saying, and what you are feeling.
Yes, its frustrating to deal with all this.
At 60% I can't even think about working. Just getting out of bed and trying to make something of each day is difficult.
I found out 2 weeks ago that my TDRL date is 20 Oct-yep, Monday. Blue Retirement ID Card.
In regards to your MTF: I went in today to make sure my medical coverage was good to go....with my back, I don't know what is going to happen day to day...and I need to know where to go and that I'm covered. I'm 25 minutes from my base and through TRICARE I got to pick my base as my MTF. So, I would assume you can keep your MTF thats 5 miles away as your MTF/provider. Because we are medically retired there should be no break in our medical coverage. So, make sure that when you are TDRL that DEERS has you updated and if you choose TRICARE PRIME (~$200yr for me) you should be able to pick your MTF. I hope that is the case for you and you can relax a little bit.
Take care and best wishes.
Chinook
Rockn,
If nothing has changed since I started my coverage, TriCare Prime allows members to pay the full amount at the start of coverage ($460 for a family), or monthly (aprx $34.00 for family), or quarterly (aprx $115.00 for family).
I pay aprx $115.00 quarterly.
I attached information from one of AFPEBLO post that has more details:
While you are on TDRL you are entitled to the same medical benefits as any retiree (length of service or disability) however, you must enroll in one of the three TRICARE plans (Prime, Extra or Standard).
When you say you ended up paying for TRICARE do you mean you enrolled in TRICARE Prime and paid the annual enrollment fee?
Retirees (under 65), Their Family Members, and Others:
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If nothing has changed since I started my coverage, TriCare Prime allows members to pay the full amount at the start of coverage ($460 for a family), or monthly (aprx $34.00 for family), or quarterly (aprx $115.00 for family).
I pay aprx $115.00 quarterly.
I attached information from one of AFPEBLO post that has more details:
While you are on TDRL you are entitled to the same medical benefits as any retiree (length of service or disability) however, you must enroll in one of the three TRICARE plans (Prime, Extra or Standard).
When you say you ended up paying for TRICARE do you mean you enrolled in TRICARE Prime and paid the annual enrollment fee?
Retirees (under 65), Their Family Members, and Others:
TRICARE
Prime
Annual Deductible
None
Annual Enrollment Fee
$230/individual $460/family
Civilian Copays
Outpatient
Emergency Care
Mental Health Visit
$12
$30
$25
$17 (group visit)
Civilian Inpatient
Cost Share
$11/day
($25 minimum) Charge per admission
Civilian Inpatient Skilled Nursing Facility Care
$11/day
($25 minimum) charge per admission
Civilian Inpatient Mental Health
$40 per day
Prime
Annual Deductible
None
Annual Enrollment Fee
$230/individual $460/family
Civilian Copays
Outpatient
Emergency Care
Mental Health Visit
$12
$30
$25
$17 (group visit)
Civilian Inpatient
Cost Share
$11/day
($25 minimum) Charge per admission
Civilian Inpatient Skilled Nursing Facility Care
$11/day
($25 minimum) charge per admission
Civilian Inpatient Mental Health
$40 per day
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Yes,
You can pay all at once, monthly, or quarterly. The attached link has the breakdown if you are interested:
https://www.hnfs.net/bene/enrollment/fees/Enrollment+Fees-Payments.htm
You can pay all at once, monthly, or quarterly. The attached link has the breakdown if you are interested:
https://www.hnfs.net/bene/enrollment/fees/Enrollment+Fees-Payments.htm
It was easier than I thought it would be...
I just went into the MTF TRICARE area and told them I'd be TDRL.
Everything was already in the computer-don't know what "everything" was...but I just filled out a little paperwork and that was it.
They asked if I wanted to pay for 3 months or the entire year...since my money isn't coming in yet...I chose to pay $50 and they said that was for 3 months and that I would "get" the rest of this month.
This was the easy part ( :
Good luck to you.
Felicia
I just went into the MTF TRICARE area and told them I'd be TDRL.
Everything was already in the computer-don't know what "everything" was...but I just filled out a little paperwork and that was it.
They asked if I wanted to pay for 3 months or the entire year...since my money isn't coming in yet...I chose to pay $50 and they said that was for 3 months and that I would "get" the rest of this month.
This was the easy part ( :
Good luck to you.
Felicia
Purple,
You're right-it was a nice change!!!
You went on TDRL earlier this year right? Were you told to keep track of your medical stuff for your review process or anything like that??? Or are you just going to get reviewed in 15-18 months and see what the docs say at that point?
I've read that a high percentage of TDRL's go on to Perm Retirement, but I want to be best prepared.
I mean, I'm not worrying sick about anything-I'm going to take this time to rest and heal.
I wasn't told anything. I don't even know how I'll be notified when I need to be reviewed. Any thoughts or advice???
Thanks.
Chinook
You're right-it was a nice change!!!
You went on TDRL earlier this year right? Were you told to keep track of your medical stuff for your review process or anything like that??? Or are you just going to get reviewed in 15-18 months and see what the docs say at that point?
I've read that a high percentage of TDRL's go on to Perm Retirement, but I want to be best prepared.
I mean, I'm not worrying sick about anything-I'm going to take this time to rest and heal.
I wasn't told anything. I don't even know how I'll be notified when I need to be reviewed. Any thoughts or advice???
Thanks.
Chinook
Yes, I was placed on TDRL July 2008.
I wasn't told much either. I read somewhere (can't remember where) that re-evaluations can be initiated as early as the 16th month.
I'm keeping all my prescription pill bottles from CVS, plus I'm going to ask for a med refill printout around my 16th month. I'm on tons of meds for heart complications, high blood pressure, anxiety, depression, insomnia, hair loss, migraines and etc. Most of the time, I feel like a zombie from the meds.
- I keep a log of all my doctor's appointments
- I'm going to request med records from my previous appointments (and futrure appointments too)
- I keep a record of previous diagnosed aliments (docs found two more conditions with my heart (right bundle branch block & left posterior fascicular block)
On my AF Form 356, it states I need a comment from neurology and cardiology stating current treatment, compliance, prognosis, treatment plan; and frequency/severity/duration of headaches and workload in METS resulting in symptoms of the heart. I'm going to try to ensure the neurologist and cardiologist mention this in their reports.
As far as the review, I believe you can be notified by mail or phone. I called the AF disability office, the only thing I was told is to make sure they have all my contact info such as phone numbers and address.
Well gotta run to church...talk to you later!
I wasn't told much either. I read somewhere (can't remember where) that re-evaluations can be initiated as early as the 16th month.
I'm keeping all my prescription pill bottles from CVS, plus I'm going to ask for a med refill printout around my 16th month. I'm on tons of meds for heart complications, high blood pressure, anxiety, depression, insomnia, hair loss, migraines and etc. Most of the time, I feel like a zombie from the meds.
- I keep a log of all my doctor's appointments
- I'm going to request med records from my previous appointments (and futrure appointments too)
- I keep a record of previous diagnosed aliments (docs found two more conditions with my heart (right bundle branch block & left posterior fascicular block)
On my AF Form 356, it states I need a comment from neurology and cardiology stating current treatment, compliance, prognosis, treatment plan; and frequency/severity/duration of headaches and workload in METS resulting in symptoms of the heart. I'm going to try to ensure the neurologist and cardiologist mention this in their reports.
As far as the review, I believe you can be notified by mail or phone. I called the AF disability office, the only thing I was told is to make sure they have all my contact info such as phone numbers and address.
Well gotta run to church...talk to you later!
Thanks Purple,
Great ideas. I have a calendar that I've been keeping track of some of my appts...I think its time that I keep track of every appt. I originally got it to keep my daily pain levels on it. I'm also writing down when I have incapacitating episodes.
Well, I see my new PCM in a couple weeks and I will talk to him about the documentation I need, and what he wants me to do when I have severe back attacks.
I had one more thought-I'm a reservist...so say with Gods grace I am better in 18 months and I go back to duty-will I get reserve retirement points day for day, or is that basically just a bad year? I tried to find the answer but I can't find it. Thought you might know.
Thank you. BTW, How are you feeling? Do you get some good rest in your days?
Chinook
Great ideas. I have a calendar that I've been keeping track of some of my appts...I think its time that I keep track of every appt. I originally got it to keep my daily pain levels on it. I'm also writing down when I have incapacitating episodes.
Well, I see my new PCM in a couple weeks and I will talk to him about the documentation I need, and what he wants me to do when I have severe back attacks.
I had one more thought-I'm a reservist...so say with Gods grace I am better in 18 months and I go back to duty-will I get reserve retirement points day for day, or is that basically just a bad year? I tried to find the answer but I can't find it. Thought you might know.
Thank you. BTW, How are you feeling? Do you get some good rest in your days?
Chinook
That's a good question, and I do not know the answer. Someone please chime in if you have an answer.
I know it does not work that way for AD AF. The way it was explained to me is that if I was RTD after placement on TDRL, my AD years toward retirement starts at year 13, because that is the amount of years I had AD before the break in service (or placement on the TDRL).
I hope this helps.
I know it does not work that way for AD AF. The way it was explained to me is that if I was RTD after placement on TDRL, my AD years toward retirement starts at year 13, because that is the amount of years I had AD before the break in service (or placement on the TDRL).
I hope this helps.
Chinook,
I forgot to answer the second part of your question in reference to my health:
I have more bad days than good ones due to my health. But, at least now I can lie down to recuperate when needed without having to worry about military task or taskings, or forcing myself to get out of bed to go to work.
How are you feeling these days? Thank you for asking.
I forgot to answer the second part of your question in reference to my health:
I have more bad days than good ones due to my health. But, at least now I can lie down to recuperate when needed without having to worry about military task or taskings, or forcing myself to get out of bed to go to work.
How are you feeling these days? Thank you for asking.
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While on TDRL, you are technically retired and earn no benefits during that time (no points, no leave, no time for length of service calculations). I would not call it a "bad year," as much as not a year at all for purposes of retirement points.